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  # 1991884 9-Apr-2018 10:29
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Could someone who runs the new Ultra Hub device please tell me if NAT Loopback is available? The HG659 does not.

 

Thanks


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  # 2015119 13-May-2018 14:02
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I have a question...currently on FibreX200 and have been since it first came out, so have a HG659 router(white) and a grey modem. I have complained a couple of times about the wifi quality in my small townhouse especially the bedroom which isnt that far away. 

 

They got me to change mobile devices off the VF 5 setting to the VF 2.6 setting. That did help but it still isnt perfect. Support tell me that the router I have is the best they have and was wondering if people agree? I asked about the Ultrahub they advertise and am told that what I have is better. Right or wrong? Thanks in advance.

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2015125 13-May-2018 14:14
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Wifi performance has nothing to do with Vodafone. Numerous threads on Geekzone about wifi performance. Install a dedicated access point or two, e.g., Ubiquiti, Grandstream, Ruckus.

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  # 2015126 13-May-2018 14:17
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Spyware: Wifi performance has nothing to do with Vodafone. Numerous threads on Geekzone about wifi performance. Install a dedicated access point or two, e.g., Ubiquiti, Grandstream, Ruckus.

 

It is their supplied router.


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  # 2015131 13-May-2018 14:19
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In my personal experience, I've found the HG659 device to be poor. The device works, it provides the internet but I've found 3rd party routers perform better. For example a Draytek router (a bit pricey but performs way better) or a Netgear router.

 

I recommended a Draytek to a friend and he also found a huge difference as well.


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  # 2015135 13-May-2018 14:33
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Pumpedd:

 

It is their supplied router.

 

 

Doesn't imply that a single access point solution is suitable for your environment and that there isn't a better solution. Up to you to find the better solution (rather than expecting vodafone CSRs to change the laws of physics).

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  # 2015157 13-May-2018 14:57
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Pumpedd:

 

I have a question...currently on FibreX200 and have been since it first came out, so have a HG659 router(white) and a grey modem. I have complained a couple of times about the wifi quality in my small townhouse especially the bedroom which isnt that far away. 

 

They got me to change mobile devices off the VF 5 setting to the VF 2.6 setting. That did help but it still isnt perfect. Support tell me that the router I have is the best they have and was wondering if people agree? I asked about the Ultrahub they advertise and am told that what I have is better. Right or wrong? Thanks in advance.

 

 

@Pumpedd It's 2.4Ghz not 2.6 and Wi-Fi is best effort as it works on public specturm

 

You expecting Wi-Fi to work perfect is unreasonable

 

John


 
 
 
 


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Uber Geek


  # 2015458 14-May-2018 02:44
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Wasn't the Ultrahub advertised in here when it was launched, as having much better wifi performance? maybe vodafone could swap you over to one?

 

 


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  # 2015497 14-May-2018 08:50
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Apsattv:

 

Wasn't the Ultrahub advertised in here when it was launched, as having much better wifi performance? maybe vodafone could swap you over to one?

 

 

 

 

Thats why I posted here....their marketing also says that ultrahub is awesome...guess I got it wrong :(


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  # 2015529 14-May-2018 09:31
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Pumpedd:

 

.....That did help but it still isnt perfect. ....

 

 

wifi isnt perfect . Often there is no cheap magic fix to wifi issues.
You could try changing the wifi channel, or move the router somewhere else . If that doesnt work either run cables or buy a powerline networking kit.
A new router or wifi access point might help , and it may be no different

 

Every wall wifi goes through can be a 50% or more signal loss.
Anything running on 2.4 can cause wifi issues: cordless phones, vid senders, neighbours etc

 

 


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  # 2015530 14-May-2018 09:33
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1101:

 

Pumpedd:

 

.....That did help but it still isnt perfect. ....

 

 

wifi isnt perfect . Often there is no cheap magic fix to wifi issues.
You could try changing the wifi channel, or move the router somewhere else . If that doesnt work either run cables or buy a powerline networking kit.
A new router or wifi access point might help , and it may be no different

 

Every wall wifi goes through can be a 50% or more signal loss.
Anything running on 2.4 can cause wifi issues: cordless phones, vid senders, neighbours etc

 

 

 

 

So the router makes no difference to wifi at all is what people are telling me here?


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  # 2015575 14-May-2018 10:22
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Pumpedd:

 

1101:

 

Pumpedd:

 

.....That did help but it still isnt perfect. ....

 

 

wifi isnt perfect . Often there is no cheap magic fix to wifi issues.
You could try changing the wifi channel, or move the router somewhere else . If that doesnt work either run cables or buy a powerline networking kit.
A new router or wifi access point might help , and it may be no different

 

Every wall wifi goes through can be a 50% or more signal loss.
Anything running on 2.4 can cause wifi issues: cordless phones, vid senders, neighbours etc

 

 

 

 

So the router makes no difference to wifi at all is what people are telling me here?

 

 

 

 

Yep, pretty much.

 

I've tested LOTS of consumer wifi routers and APs and found:

 

- 2.4g is equally bad on any router.

 

- External antennas make only a little difference and can be worse if they are not oriented correctly (internal antennas are positioned specifically by the manufacturer)

 

- Noting that wifi output is regulated to power levels and NZ is up with the highest for wifi so dont beleive the "high powered router" stuff.

 

- Unless your house is 100sqm and fairly open, one router wont cover it all well, even a $600 one.

 

 

 

What does make a difference and fixes issues

 

- Positioning - open and elevated. Not next to a tv or in a cupboard or on the floor.  This is the single biggest and simplest improvement you can do.

 

- 5Ghz and Beamforming. This is the one marketing hype that works and I've measured good improvements in speed with this feature (Mu-Mimo works in ideall situations too, but real world it wont kick in a whole lot)

 

- Additional wifi access point. Adding a wifi extender to cover problem spots sorts bad areas. Ideally one with Ethernet or Powerline backhaul.

 

- Mesh systems like TP Link Deco,or Orbi do work too for bigger places.

 

 

 

The Ultra Hub does have better wifi - primary because it has 5Ghz beamforming and I have seem myself the speed improvement with this.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 2015578 14-May-2018 10:24
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LifeSteala:

 

Could someone who runs the new Ultra Hub device please tell me if NAT Loopback is available? The HG659 does not.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

No, it doesnt


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Master Geek


  # 2015580 14-May-2018 10:26
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Morm:

 

LifeSteala:

 

Could someone who runs the new Ultra Hub device please tell me if NAT Loopback is available? The HG659 does not.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

No, it doesnt

 

 

Well that is not ideal. Thank you. I'll be going for a Draytek router instead. 


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  # 2015616 14-May-2018 11:04
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LifeSteala:

 

In my personal experience, I've found the HG659 device to be poor. The device works, it provides the internet but I've found 3rd party routers perform better. For example a Draytek router (a bit pricey but performs way better) or a Netgear router.

 

I recommended a Draytek to a friend and he also found a huge difference as well.

 



I found the WiFi Proformance on the HG659 to be ok, but kept having stably issue's (router needing to be restarted) - same issue on two HG659's. Now running an nice Asus all in one, and (since a firmware update), it is rock solid in terms of stability.

If somebody has major WiFi issues on a HG659 (assuming it's not faulty), I doubt another all in one will solve it...

 

I just spent some time overseas, and it is interesting to note that one of the isp's in that country, offers "Whole Home wifi" set up by their "geeksquad" as their top tier consumer fiber product. Concrete house construction is common their, which kills Wifi signals to that run through 2 or more walls... (they deploy TP-link deco gear)...


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