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Topic # 189126 17-Dec-2015 18:52
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Turned the lappy on to do a couple of urgent bits for work, left the room for a few minutes while the hamster wound up, on my return it appears Windows is running what appears to be a major update (I assume this is the 'fall' update)  

No notification, no approval, no checking if this was a convenient time.  WTF Microsoft?!!!  At least Apple just nag you to death but still allow the user to choose to push the 'go' button when it's convenient.  

Been over half an hour and still only at 24%.  Resigned to trying to do an urgent spreadsheet on my phone.  Grrrrr.  

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  Reply # 1452482 17-Dec-2015 19:01
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ChromeOS - Update? Reboot, done.
MacOSX - Nag, Nag, Nag, Reboot, Nag Nag Nag, Reboot, Nag - fine, I'll update already! Wait like 30mins, done.
Windows - Nag, Nag, Your PC is now rebooting, done.
Linux - Hrm, you've got an update - run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade", reboot, done.

Each OS has their own way of dealing with it. With Windows I just leave my PC on so it reboots itself when I am not using it. Would you rather have your OS vulnerable to *insert latest zero-day exploit here* or just spend a moment ensuring things are up-to-date? Also if you have not got a SSD installed I'd strongly recommend it.






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  Reply # 1452490 17-Dec-2015 19:22
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Windows - total silence, oh I see your using your computer for something important, time to suddenly run an update that we didn't bother to tell you about then!

Not grizzling about having to update.  More than happy to update at a time convenient to me (or at the odd time in the morning that automatic updates are normally set to run at).  I wasn't aware this update was there (no notification) nor did I get the opportunity to to postpone the update or acknowledge to run it at the set time of 3:30am.  

78%...getting there.    








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  Reply # 1452508 17-Dec-2015 19:23
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michaelmurfy: ChromeOS - Update? Reboot, done.
MacOSX - Nag, Nag, Nag, Reboot, Nag Nag Nag, Reboot, Nag - fine, I'll update already! Wait like 30mins, done.
Windows - Nag, Nag, Your PC is now rebooting, done.
Linux - Hrm, you've got an update - run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade", reboot, done.

Each OS has their own way of dealing with it. With Windows I just leave my PC on so it reboots itself when I am not using it. Would you rather have your OS vulnerable to *insert latest zero-day exploit here* or just spend a moment ensuring things are up-to-date? Also if you have not got a SSD installed I'd strongly recommend it.


Your experience of MacOSX and Windows updates couldn't be more different than mine.  It is almost as if you have them the wrong way round!




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  Reply # 1452526 17-Dec-2015 19:29
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There was nothing wrong with how W7 Updated. I am NOT a fan of the new system.

I like control over my updates (and pay attention Microsoft), I also like to know what those updates are for/doing.

Less transparency isn't a good thing.


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  Reply # 1452527 17-Dec-2015 19:31
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Tinshed:
michaelmurfy: ChromeOS - Update? Reboot, done.
MacOSX - Nag, Nag, Nag, Reboot, Nag Nag Nag, Reboot, Nag - fine, I'll update already! Wait like 30mins, done.
Windows - Nag, Nag, Your PC is now rebooting, done.
Linux - Hrm, you've got an update - run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade", reboot, done.

Each OS has their own way of dealing with it. With Windows I just leave my PC on so it reboots itself when I am not using it. Would you rather have your OS vulnerable to *insert latest zero-day exploit here* or just spend a moment ensuring things are up-to-date? Also if you have not got a SSD installed I'd strongly recommend it.


Your experience of MacOSX and Windows updates couldn't be more different than mine.  It is almost as if you have them the wrong way round!


Really? I found it almost spot on. Except Windows was more like "OH YOU BLINKED, REBOOT TIME!"




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  Reply # 1452573 17-Dec-2015 19:37
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Interesting; I'm using OS X (10.10) and if I dismiss the nag then I don't see it again unless I open the App Store app. It certainly doesn't nag me repeatedly, but maybe it's the way I've set my settings.

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  Reply # 1452575 17-Dec-2015 19:40
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Behodar: Interesting; I'm using OS X (10.10) and if I dismiss the nag then I don't see it again unless I open the App Store app. It certainly doesn't nag me repeatedly, but maybe it's the way I've set my settings.


I use a Mac for work that runs Mavericks, the only options I have to dismiss updates are "try tonight" or "more info" or something along those lines. Usually it'll ask a day or 2 later because it couldn't install itself overnight since it was off etc.

My personal Mac running El Capitan is usually updated the second it arrives because I don't wanna use outdated software if I can avoid it, but I don't remember it pestering terribly much when I put it off.




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  Reply # 1452578 17-Dec-2015 19:42
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Loving windows 10, far superior to Win 7.  Update was pretty much as @tardtasticx said...I blinked.   

100% now about 1 hour later. Not sure if that was the 'fall' update I read about a while ago or not. Aside from a bit of a glitch getting it to disable flight mode, all's well.

Doing a spreadsheet on a 5" screen is painful!!   








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  Reply # 1452579 17-Dec-2015 19:42
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Behodar: Interesting; I'm using OS X (10.10) and if I dismiss the nag then I don't see it again unless I open the App Store app. It certainly doesn't nag me repeatedly, but maybe it's the way I've set my settings.


I use a Mac for work that runs Mavericks, the only options I have to dismiss updates are "try tonight" or "more info" or something along those lines. Usually it'll ask a day or 2 later because it couldn't install itself overnight since it was off etc. 

My personal Mac running El Capitan is usually updated the second it arrives because I don't wanna use outdated software if I can avoid it, but I don't remember it pestering terribly much when I put it off.

Thinking about it some more, I don't click the "Not Now" or whatever it's called (which probably does prompt you again) but rather I click on the notification balloon to see the details of the update. If it's one requiring a reboot then I'll often close the window at that point - but the notification has been acknowledged so it doesn't show up a second time.

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  Reply # 1452581 17-Dec-2015 19:43
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Behodar: Interesting; I'm using OS X (10.10) and if I dismiss the nag then I don't see it again unless I open the App Store app. It certainly doesn't nag me repeatedly, but maybe it's the way I've set my settings.


That matches my experience very closely.  As to Windows, my experience is coloured by my experience of laptops at work which have a great deal of additional security, encyrption, etc than most home PCs.  Updates are really, really slow and intrusive.  But for the Windows laptops (Windows 8 and 10) at home, updates still seem more invasive, and less transparent, than on OSX and always seem to require a re-boot.




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  Reply # 1452583 17-Dec-2015 19:48
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"Windows 10 is a service, which means it's always up to date and your PC always has the latest and best features. The November update, which includes additional features and improvements, will automatically download and install when it’s available."

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-nz/windows-10/windows-update-faq

Welcome to the new world. There is a 'defer upgrades' setting. Did you have that selected?



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  Reply # 1452592 17-Dec-2015 19:57
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gzt: "Windows 10 is a service, which means it's always up to date and your PC always has the latest and best features. The November update, which includes additional features and improvements, will automatically download and install when it’s available."

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-nz/windows-10/windows-update-faq

Welcome to the new world. There is a 'defer upgrades' setting. Did you have that selected?


Wasn't aware of that one.  I normally just accept the default settings around this kind of stuff as I never had a problem in all my years with MS.   Happy for the auto-updates, just not at prime time.




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  Reply # 1452599 17-Dec-2015 20:06
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scuwp: Loving windows 10, far superior to Win 7.  Update was pretty much as @tardtasticx said...I blinked.   

100% now about 1 hour later. Not sure if that was the 'fall' update I read about a while ago or not. Aside from a bit of a glitch getting it to disable flight mode, all's well.

Doing a spreadsheet on a 5" screen is painful!!   



It probably is if you got the circle update percentage thing and a reasuring screen that your files were where you left them.




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scuwp:
gzt: "Windows 10 is a service, which means it's always up to date and your PC always has the latest and best features. The November update, which includes additional features and improvements, will automatically download and install when it’s available."

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-nz/windows-10/windows-update-faq

Welcome to the new world. There is a 'defer upgrades' setting. Did you have that selected?


Wasn't aware of that one.  I normally just accept the default settings around this kind of stuff as I never had a problem in all my years with MS.   Happy for the auto-updates, just not at prime time.


In theory with Pro you can schedule with local policy:

http://m.windowscentral.com/how-schedule-windows-updates-windows-10

I'm interested to know if you have those options. I have not started my 10 for a long time...

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  Reply # 1452645 17-Dec-2015 21:03
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I configure Windows 10 to download updates, but install them when I tell it to do so.

Leave it for a few days... It can get annoying with popups. Leave it for a few more... it will start full screen popups that try to trick you into forcefully doing an update.


But apart from nagging, im in full control of when updates actually happen, updates are downloaded instantly and seeded within the network by a machine which is always running.. Its a perfect combination.




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