sir1963:Fred99:KiwiNZ:Fred99: The system (prison) doesn't seem to work very well in NZ (deterrent to crime, and rehabilitation).
NZ has a relatively high rate of incarceration - and a poor performance with recidivism.
Restorative justice will always have varying levels of success, it is still better than retributive justice. But again the choice to reoffend is a conscientious choice. Loss voting an outcome of that choice.
You are talking about "ideology" not reality - as despite apparent efforts made, the high recidivism rates (>70% in NZ?) seem to show that "rehabilitation" is mainly a myth.
So not only do we have high prison rates, but the apparent "willingness" of ex-prisoners to re-offend seems to show that it's not acting as a deterrent (nor serving the function of keeping the public safe). It is a retributive system - many people are happy with that, and in fact want it more retributive.
But we don't rehabilitate in NZ, our prisons are punitive. Ww don't have any rights to complaint then when "rehabilitation" fails.
We also live in a society that seems to be more than happy to spend $80,000 plus a year per prisoner but begrudge them benefits which costs a lot less.
Society is keen to punish "Benefit abusers", last year benefit fraud cost about $100 Million
Corporate tax fraud and high income tax fraud however cost about $15 BILLION , yet little is done about this.
We put poor people in prison for theft of hundreds of dollars, yet fraud by accountants, lawyers, business executives who steal thousands of times that are not punished more harshly , why not ?
Surely the idea of prison is a deterrent , the educated, the wealthy have less reason to commit crime, yet they are not deterred.
So many times we would find work for a released prisoner and for them not to turn up for that work. They would then reoffend wind up in the courts and it is of course everyone else's fault bar theirs