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# 166349 10-Mar-2015 15:55
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Background: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rural-business-agriculture-farming/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=11414980

Maybe I have my cynical hat on today, but it seems odd they would announce this now, seeing as they have known about it since November.

Is this potentially a pretext to justification to domestic communications monitoring by a government who seem to be fighting off increasingly damaging evidence they are doing just that?

The timing just seems a little - convenient?




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Better step up surveillance!  Won't somebody think of the children!?

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  # 1254713 10-Mar-2015 16:02
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Or Fonterra didn't want it out because it would screw their share price/price of milk solids/the economy of NZ.


Or both.

 
 
 
 




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  # 1254714 10-Mar-2015 16:04
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blakamin: Or Fonterra didn't want it out because it would screw their share price/price of milk solids/the economy of NZ.


Or both.


So why wait 4 months, then call an 'urgent' press conference with barely an hours notice to media?




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Regardless of the 'spying' situation the fact that these anti 1080 nutters are prepared to poison babies is really worrying.

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blakamin: Or Fonterra didn't want it out because it would screw their share price/price of milk solids/the economy of NZ.


Or both.


So why wait 4 months, then call an 'urgent' press conference with barely an hours notice to media?


It was going to come out at the end of the month anyway. It's not like it's the first time Fonterra haven't mentioned something until months later.

 On 3 August 2013, the Ministry for Primary Industries announced a recall of products sold by Fonterra. The contaminated products originated with three batches of whey protein concentrate weighing 38 metric tons (42 tons) produced in May 2012.[3] A problem was first noticed by Fonterra in March 2013...



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MileHighKiwi: Regardless of the 'spying' situation the fact that these anti 1080 nutters are prepared to poison babies is really worrying.


Absolutely. But the media conference and timing is a little (In the words of journalist Andrea Vance today) 'bizarre'.

The are saying the threat is 'low' and they are not even sure if it's a hoax. Advising no action other than to report anyone suspicious and check for tampering. All of which seem a little out of step with the urgent and last minute nature of the announcement today.




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ajobbins: Background: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rural-business-agriculture-farming/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=11414980

Maybe I have my cynical hat on today, but it seems odd they would announce this now, seeing as they have known about it since November.

Is this potentially a pretext to justification to domestic communications monitoring by a government who seem to be fighting off increasingly damaging evidence they are doing just that?

The timing just seems a little - convenient?


Yes yes here is your tin foil hat, obviously lets just brush over the fact  they plan to POISON BABIES!?



 
 
 
 




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networkn: Yes yes here is your tin foil hat, obviously lets just brush over the fact  they plan to POISON BABIES!?


I don't think anyone disagrees that such a threat is obscene, deplorable and downright sickening.

But the way they have gone about releasing the info, both in terms of timing and 'scare factor' is suspicious.

Would it not have been significantly more responsible to alert the public sooner, so they could all take appropriate precautions?




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networkn: Yes yes here is your tin foil hat, obviously lets just brush over the fact  they plan to POISON BABIES!?


I don't think anyone disagrees that such a threat is obscene, deplorable and downright sickening.

But the way they have gone about releasing the info, both in terms of timing and 'scare factor' is suspicious.

Would it not have been significantly more responsible to alert the public sooner, so they could all take appropriate precautions?


Yes yes let's just start a public panic, cause share prices to plummet, and damage the reputation of our milk products worldwide without investigating properly and see if it was a legitimate threat or could be contained without unnecessary angst. 

Last time there was a milk "panic" the world nearly ended and it turned out to be nothing. 

Perhaps if you take off your naturally overly suspicious demeanour you might see it for what it probably was.




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  # 1254737 10-Mar-2015 16:32
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(yawn)

Hasn't this been a threat that comes up at random for the past 20 years now ?





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To be honest - publishing claims by nut jobs is like giving them oxygen!





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  # 1254746 10-Mar-2015 16:41
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blakamin: Or Fonterra didn't want it out because it would screw their share price/price of milk solids/the economy of NZ.


Or both.


So why wait 4 months, then call an 'urgent' press conference with barely an hours notice to media?


Police have confirmed there were some developments with the case today that sparked the public release of information, but were reluctant to say what those developments are.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/67183655/criminal-blackmail-threat-to-poison-baby-formula-with-1080




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from the article "The letters carried a threat to contaminate formula with 1080 unless New Zealand stopped using the poison for pest control by the end of March."

I would imagine the authorities asked for a lid to be on it until they had investigated to allow them a good chance to find these nut cases and prevent this from occurring or copy cat incidents as a result of publicity.

But I guess conspiracy theories are more exciting than risks to babies lives.




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networkn: Yes yes let's just start a public panic, cause share prices to plummet, and damage the reputation of our milk products worldwide without investigating properly and see if it was a legitimate threat or could be contained without unnecessary angst. 


I haven't seen anything in the media announcement today that couldn't have been said to the same effect much closer to the time. "We have received a threat, we doubt it's credible but be on the lookout". If they didn't want to scare people they could have also done a much better job of selling how amazingly strict the dairy industry's quality control processes are that would make it near on impossible for someone to carry out this threat without tamping with packaged and shipped product - something probably much more likely to be picked up by an aware and vigilant informed consumer.

A number of commentators now suggesting that today's announcement has been over hyped.

Last time there was a milk "panic" the world nearly ended and it turned out to be nothing. 


How is today any different? How would this have been different from releasing the same thing 2 or 3 months ago?

Perhaps if you take off your naturally overly suspicious demeanour you might see it for what it probably was.


I don't think there is anything wrong with a natural suspicion, especially when there are crossovers into the political world. What harm is there is asking questions if all is as it seems and can be justifiably explained?




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ajobbins: the media conference and timing is a little (In the words of journalist Andrea Vance today) 'bizarre'.



Journalist? left wing political activist would be more appropriate. She hates the government and will be loving the opportunity to turn this into an attack on John Key.

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