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  #1325796 16-Jun-2015 14:39
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MileHighKiwi: London Mayor Boris Johnson has weighed in on the matter. Thank god there are still voices of reason in this crazy PC world...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/69418938/boris-johnson-defends-sir-tim-hunt-a-nobel-scientist-felled-by-sexism-charges 

when someone is deemed to have said or done something to cause offence to the great and implacable Moloch of Political Correctness, then the priests and priestesses of that religion will sometimes react with a vindictiveness - and a total lack of reason - that is in itself a kind of anthropological marvel.

Whether you say it is a function of biology or social expectation, it is a fact that - on the whole - men and women express emotion differently. There is, in other words, a gender difference, and it should not be an offence to say that.

He did not deserve to be pilloried, and should be reinstated forthwith to his academic positions.


Really a politician makes it ok.

 
 
 

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  #1325839 16-Jun-2015 15:23
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You can't say anything in public today that diverges from the accepted Group Think.

No opinions are acceptable other than the Officially Sanctioned Ones Approved By Twitter.





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  #1325841 16-Jun-2015 15:25
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ubergeeknz:
MileHighKiwi:
ubergeeknz: Umm his comment was disgusting and incredibly sexist.  He does not deserve to walk away unscathed.  Even his "apology" belies the fact that he blames females for his own inability to keep things professional.


No one is saying it wasn't sexist. But who defines the level of punishment? Public opinion? He has not committed a crime, so the courts can't punish him.

Why don't we tie him up in Queen Street and let the public throw rotten fruit at him. That's basically what social media is these days.

In this case I think the punishment far outweighs the 'crime'


I didn't say anything about whether the punishment is entirely appropriate, merely that such a sexist attitude cannot be let slide without any repercussions.


 

Why not? Is he not entitled to hold that view? He is not a politician trying to get it formed into a policy so his views do not have much effect.







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MikeB4:
MileHighKiwi: London Mayor Boris Johnson has weighed in on the matter. Thank god there are still voices of reason in this crazy PC world...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/69418938/boris-johnson-defends-sir-tim-hunt-a-nobel-scientist-felled-by-sexism-charges 

when someone is deemed to have said or done something to cause offence to the great and implacable Moloch of Political Correctness, then the priests and priestesses of that religion will sometimes react with a vindictiveness - and a total lack of reason - that is in itself a kind of anthropological marvel.

Whether you say it is a function of biology or social expectation, it is a fact that - on the whole - men and women express emotion differently. There is, in other words, a gender difference, and it should not be an offence to say that.

He did not deserve to be pilloried, and should be reinstated forthwith to his academic positions.


Really a politician makes it ok.


IMO, his opinion on this is a voice of reason. Politician or not.

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ubergeeknz: I didn't say anything about whether the punishment is entirely appropriate, merely that such a sexist attitude cannot be let slide without any repercussions.

Is there any information available that indicates whether he had women working in his labs or not?  If he did then I would suggest that he's probably not actually sexist and should get a verbal slap on the wrist, and no more.

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  #1325895 16-Jun-2015 16:23
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I await Jeremy Clarkson's column with bated breath.

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  #1325900 16-Jun-2015 16:33
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ubergeeknz: I didn't say anything about whether the punishment is entirely appropriate, merely that such a sexist attitude cannot be let slide without any repercussions.

Is there any information available that indicates whether he had women working in his labs or not?  If he did then I would suggest that he's probably not actually sexist and should get a verbal slap on the wrist, and no more.


IF he has women working for him in his lab, then it is even worse to be honest.  Imagine hearing your boss, in a public, industry forum, basically saying your entire gender are too emotional to work with?



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  #1325904 16-Jun-2015 16:36
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MileHighKiwi:
MikeB4:
MileHighKiwi: London Mayor Boris Johnson has weighed in on the matter. Thank god there are still voices of reason in this crazy PC world...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/69418938/boris-johnson-defends-sir-tim-hunt-a-nobel-scientist-felled-by-sexism-charges 

when someone is deemed to have said or done something to cause offence to the great and implacable Moloch of Political Correctness, then the priests and priestesses of that religion will sometimes react with a vindictiveness - and a total lack of reason - that is in itself a kind of anthropological marvel.

Whether you say it is a function of biology or social expectation, it is a fact that - on the whole - men and women express emotion differently. There is, in other words, a gender difference, and it should not be an offence to say that.

He did not deserve to be pilloried, and should be reinstated forthwith to his academic positions.


Really a politician makes it ok.


IMO, his opinion on this is a voice of reason. Politician or not.


I think what he was saying was more than "men and women express emotion differently. There is, in other words, a gender difference"  It has been dealt with

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ubergeeknz:
andrew027:
ubergeeknz: I didn't say anything about whether the punishment is entirely appropriate, merely that such a sexist attitude cannot be let slide without any repercussions.

Is there any information available that indicates whether he had women working in his labs or not?  If he did then I would suggest that he's probably not actually sexist and should get a verbal slap on the wrist, and no more.


IF he has women working for him in his lab, then it is even worse to be honest.  Imagine hearing your boss, in a public, industry forum, basically saying your entire gender are too emotional to work with?


An eye for an eye.

If he killed, then slaughter him.

If he had a loose tongue, silence it. Make him retract and apologize.

If he hurt your feelings, humiliate him publicly. Not castrate him.

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Most people want the world to be better, fairer place.

An elderly, Nobel laureate, who made a mistake, isn't the best target to improve things.

There are plenty of genuinely, evil bastards in the World, that deserve far more attention.

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Geektastic: You can't say anything in public today that diverges from the accepted Group Think.

No opinions are acceptable other than the Officially Sanctioned Ones Approved By Twitter.


I've given it some thought and decided this is not pc gone mad. Usually when one commits PC crime an apology is all that's needed. But if you touch LGBT or feminists, you will be crucified and skinned alive. Not sure why that is. Not sure if my observations are accurate, so please critique.

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joker97: Usually when one commits PC crime an apology is all that's needed. But if you touch LGBT or feminists, you will be crucified and skinned alive.

If you said this on social media, you would be crucified and skinned alive.

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  #1326122 16-Jun-2015 21:48
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ubergeeknz:
andrew027:
ubergeeknz: I didn't say anything about whether the punishment is entirely appropriate, merely that such a sexist attitude cannot be let slide without any repercussions.

Is there any information available that indicates whether he had women working in his labs or not?  If he did then I would suggest that he's probably not actually sexist and should get a verbal slap on the wrist, and no more.


IF he has women working for him in his lab, then it is even worse to be honest.  Imagine hearing your boss, in a public, industry forum, basically saying your entire gender are too emotional to work with?


You are (unintentionally I suspect) correct: it is indeed "even worse to be honest".....





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  #1326124 16-Jun-2015 21:52
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When my lady boss talks about how us men are x, y, z (not praises) we laugh really loud

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  #1326190 16-Jun-2015 23:26
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joker97: When my lady boss talks about how us men are x, y, z (not praises) we laugh really loud


Which is a privilege you have, since men are never discriminated against in any real way.

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