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  Reply # 1728550 1-Mar-2017 22:18
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Digital signatures are valid in New Zealand. You can take a scan of your signature and add to a Word document and print it, or simply save as a PDF and both will be valid. You can use either an electronic signature (a representation of you signature) or a digital certificate.


There are few exceptions to the rule but mostly related to government (and sales of land).



Reading both of those, I take from them what I always thought, A scanned copy is not acceptable, a digital cert is. (section 24 says it must be able to be proved it came from only one person. and since anyone can copy and paste an image, it doesn't count)




Or have I read that incorrectly?


...... edit as in this bit at the end of the second article....


As discussed above, the requirements for authentication and verification outlined in the ETA leave the general form of electronic signatures somewhat lacking. Such electronic signatures provide no path to authenticate the signer or the document, or to guarantee that the information is unaltered in transit. Further, as security is easily compromised, electronic signatures open clients to a range of potential liabilities that are better avoided.


Accordingly, digital signatures provide the only appropriate form for signing electronically that both conforms to the requirements of the ETA and is likely to be accepted by the courts



A scanned image applied over a document is a digital signature. A certificate applied to a document is an alternative version. Both are acceptable and I have used either before, in commercial transactions.



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  Reply # 1728552 1-Mar-2017 22:21
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I seriously cant believe signatures are still a thing. How the hell are we still relying on something so easy to fake.

At this point, I don't even have a signature, at least not one I could replicate as needed. I sign something once or twice a year.

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  Reply # 1728592 2-Mar-2017 06:17
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Quite frankly I would be questioning there actual ability to provide a secure service if they are fretting over a signature. Signatures are not secure. It would take me bugger all time in photoshop to take an item with your signature on it clean it up and submit.


Why not offer to take a photo of your self in the mirror with you holding your drivers licence in your hand. Far harder to fake(still not impossible but you have to be really good in photoshop to do so)





I have found Australian companies for the most part to be completely inflexible with this sort of thing. Might be worth asking but I would not at all be surprised if it was "too hard" or "not in the procedure manual"


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  Reply # 1728597 2-Mar-2017 06:56
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Geese: So the company is like, if you can't get the signature to match, then we can't MOJ check you, therefore can't offer you a job.

I have no idea how they are doing this but it's just silly. An MOJ check is not going to care that much about a signature on it.

If the outsource HR is verifying a signature to that extent the other candidates must be copy/pasting.

I've never heard of anything so silly. It's just one datapoint in a chain of identification not a pass fail on the whole thing.


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  Reply # 1728608 2-Mar-2017 07:36
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Maybe this outsource HR is attempting to match your DL sig to a completely different document from another source, adding to the sillyness.

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  Reply # 1728658 2-Mar-2017 08:38
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gzt: Maybe this outsource HR is attempting to match your DL sig to a completely different document from another source, adding to the sillyness.

My question is: why are they attempting to do any matching at all? They've requested a signature from the OP, it's been provided, they should now just get on with what they're supposed to be doing.

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  Reply # 1728748 2-Mar-2017 10:06
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I had a similar thing occur at a Westpac bank, they needed me to sign and compared it to my drivers licence.  The tellar said the signatures different so she couldnt help me, all while she is literally holding my photo ID in her hand.  


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  Reply # 1728821 2-Mar-2017 11:40
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I use a digital signature on all documents I sign at work. 


Can you scan the signature off your licence?

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  Reply # 1728846 2-Mar-2017 12:01
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I use a digital signature on all documents I sign at work. 


Can you scan the signature off your licence?



I was about to suggest the same thing. Scan it from your license and paste it onto the documents, then it will 100% match.


@Geese If you don't have the software (Photoshop etc) to remove the green license background flick me a PM and I can do it for you.

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  Reply # 1728853 2-Mar-2017 12:20
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Just to show how easy it is do clone a signature here is a sample licence I found on the internet


Click to see full size


This is a Copy of the Vector file I created in the end


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Took all of about 20min to do and the sample material was not great. There is a reason why documents have to be witnessed to be legally binding.

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