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cruxis
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  #2250651 3-Jun-2019 18:44
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Had one child then a vasectomy, mainly a $$ decision, but I like add environmental concerns for the holy than thou feels.


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  #2250654 3-Jun-2019 18:49
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Wife brought a Nissan Leaf which I'm able to use on her days off so my petrol use has dropped around 50%.

 

The only other thing I could do to make a change would be convert our Gas hot water back to electric, but other than that there is next to nothing I can do.


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  #2250662 3-Jun-2019 18:57
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My small contribution was to stop driving my (hybrid) car and give it to my daughter, who actually needs one - since I retired I don't need a car.

 

I don't miss it.

 

I catch a (free-with-Goldcard) bus about once a week - otherwise I walk.





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  #2250671 3-Jun-2019 19:15
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frednz:

 

Yes, NZ's emissions were 0.17% of the world's total emissions in 2014, but perhaps someone has a more up to date list than this one:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions

 

Because a large number of countries are listed as having less than 2% of global emissions, it's not really a satisfactory approach to say that all these countries can ignore the problem because they have a small percentage of global emissions.

 

 

New Zealand cannot do anything by itself.  Sure, we could destitute ourselves and drive our economy back into the dark ages.  But, if we are the only country to do so, then, all we achieve is destruction of our nation. 

 

The only effective solution is for the largest polluting nations to agree on a Co2 reduction plan, and for smaller nations to follow their lead. So , no point for NZ to do anything other than petition larger nations to do something. 

 

My view of things is that co2 is warming the planet , but, won't be such a problem for at least a few hundred years.   That is extremely rapid change at a geological timescale, but slow on a human time scale. 

 

The media cherry picks the most extreme estimates of the co2/warming effect, because it sells papers.   


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  #2250686 3-Jun-2019 20:05
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DjShadow:

 

Wife brought a Nissan Leaf which I'm able to use on her days off so my petrol use has dropped around 50%.

 

The only other thing I could do to make a change would be convert our Gas hot water back to electric, but other than that there is next to nothing I can do.

 

 

We are now using electricity instead of natural gas to heat the house. The Newshub article quoted at the start of this thread says this about natural gas:

 

"Many homes in the North Island will also need to transition away from using natural gas for cooking and heating water.

 

Natural gas has about half the emissions of coal and is often talked about as a transition fuel. However, it's estimated we only have about 10 years worth of gas reserves left.

 

"We need to phase this out and what that means is actually, as a transition fuel, now is the transition and what we need to be doing is investing heavily in the alternatives," says Shaw."

 

It's interesting that natural gas has about half the emissions of coal, but a few years ago this didn't seem to be a negative factor to be considered when deciding on a heating system for your home! 

 

 


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  #2250695 3-Jun-2019 20:19
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surfisup1000:

 

frednz:

 

Yes, NZ's emissions were 0.17% of the world's total emissions in 2014, but perhaps someone has a more up to date list than this one:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions

 

Because a large number of countries are listed as having less than 2% of global emissions, it's not really a satisfactory approach to say that all these countries can ignore the problem because they have a small percentage of global emissions.

 

 

New Zealand cannot do anything by itself.  Sure, we could destitute ourselves and drive our economy back into the dark ages.  But, if we are the only country to do so, then, all we achieve is destruction of our nation. 

 

The only effective solution is for the largest polluting nations to agree on a Co2 reduction plan, and for smaller nations to follow their lead. So , no point for NZ to do anything other than petition larger nations to do something. 

 

My view of things is that co2 is warming the planet , but, won't be such a problem for at least a few hundred years.   That is extremely rapid change at a geological timescale, but slow on a human time scale. 

 

The media cherry picks the most extreme estimates of the co2/warming effect, because it sells papers.   

 

 

An example of a rather extreme and probably incorrect ocean warming estimate is discussed here:

 

https://reason.com/2018/11/14/widely-reported-ocean-warming-study-is-w/

 

This article reported that an alarming widely reported ocean warming study is wrong and that "if you calculate the trend correctly, the warming rate is not worse than we thought – it's very much in line with previous estimates".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2250697 3-Jun-2019 20:23
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If we built some more hydro plants, or tidal generation on the Kaipara or a nuclear electric plant we could easily transition away from coal electricity.  But we'd drown snails, or annoy Taniwha or something else.  It seems that every time you think of a solution, the Greens think of a reason it's a no-go.  Either climate change is a species-threatening problem, so we tackle it properly, or it's less important than snails and taniwha, in which case the Greens should shut up and move on.




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  #2250754 3-Jun-2019 22:46
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Some pretty childish answers here to a serious question. Personally, I think we deserve to choke on our sh!t and we probably will.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #2250767 3-Jun-2019 23:59
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shk292:

 

If we built some more hydro plants, or tidal generation on the Kaipara or a nuclear electric plant we could easily transition away from coal electricity.  But we'd drown snails, or annoy Taniwha or something else.  It seems that every time you think of a solution, the Greens think of a reason it's a no-go.  Either climate change is a species-threatening problem, so we tackle it properly, or it's less important than snails and taniwha, in which case the Greens should shut up and move on.

 

 

Yeah, you're right. Some bloody snails or whatever would die. But Christ, haven't we wiped out enough species already on this planet?


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  #2250774 4-Jun-2019 03:31
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Save electricity by not watching Emma Thompson movies.


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  #2250775 4-Jun-2019 06:52
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For the record I believe that the climate is changing. You only have to look out the window to see the evidence of it.

 

But the arrogance of man to think that he is capable of being responsible for it is beyond believe.

 

There is one object, that is never spoken about in the climate change debate, that has the ability to change the temperature by 20 degrees in a couple of months and that is the sun.

 

There is a simple formula for climate change
Climate change = the suns output + mans output (including animals)

 

All climate scientist use the same basic data set of the suns output, to work out there models/predictions, the only problem is that the data set they use is incomplete. By this I mean they only include on the suns output side of the equation, all of the suns output unto and including the frequency of ultra violet light.
All of the suns output above ultra violet light, which includes x-rays, cme’s, the solar wind, the energetic particles that create the Northern or southern lights, to name a few, has to be added to mans side of the equation.

 

A few years ago some scientist used the complete data set for the suns output, but the result completely blew the notion man being responsible for climate change, out of the water, that it was quickly dumped. Why was it dumped, you ask, because if climate change is not mans problem, but a natural cycle of the sun, then all there research money, would end.

 

For a more in-depth look at this subject, I recommend that you go to this research site on the suns activity, and view the videos on the subject.

 

http://spaceweathernews.com/

 

Greg B.


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  #2250779 4-Jun-2019 07:27
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The suns activity over millenia, or the 11 year cycle is not new. That the Earth has its own cycles, hot periods, ice ages, is also not new. Im not aware of the sun having a cycle beginning when the Industrial Revolution started, or if the Sun also emits the many greenhouses gases and CFC's upon us.


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  #2250847 4-Jun-2019 09:02
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If the sun has less of an effect on climate change that man,

 

then it must be mans' fault that the prevoius ice ages occurred, because he was not producing enough green house gasses.

 

or, if earth and mars swapped orbits, then earth would still be getting warmer because of man.


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  #2250849 4-Jun-2019 09:02
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Rikkitic:

 

Some pretty childish answers here to a serious question. Personally, I think we deserve to choke on our sh!t and we probably will.

 

 

I agree, but I guess some people like to make light of serious problems as they don't want to face up to the reality of having to do something about them!

 

For example, some people simply say that they aren't doing anything at all about global warming, possibly because they aren't aware that there are a few basic things that everyone can do, such as:

 

Buying LED bulbs, doing online shopping, using cold water when doing the washing, turning off the lights when not needed, using the "FlyNeutral" option when selecting air tickets, eating less meat, using the car less by walking short distances, and using electricity for heating rather than natural gas.

 

And, if you can afford it, buy an electric vehicle, even if it's only a "relatively" cheap second-hand one. 

 

There are lots of other ways of helping to reduce our emissions, but the main thing is the awareness that doing nothing at all isn't good enough, there's always something that everyone can do, even if this takes a bit of effort from time to time!


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  #2250851 4-Jun-2019 09:10
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nzrock:

 

If the sun has less of an effect on climate change that man,

 

then it must be mans' fault that the prevoius ice ages occurred, because he was not producing enough green house gasses.

 

or, if earth and mars swapped orbits, then earth would still be getting warmer because of man.

 

 

You need to learn more about this stuff. Learn about the cycle of the Earth's axis as just one example. then read graphs from millennia ago, get a feel for that, then read them from 1700AD onwards. Check 1980 onwards too


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