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  #2300382 16-Aug-2019 12:04
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At least Morrison cut him down, you can disagree with respect

 

Jones is an attention seeker


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  #2300386 16-Aug-2019 12:12
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Winston Churchill said "Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things."

The Aussies are not wrong about cattle.




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  #2301202 18-Aug-2019 13:28
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Does one ship pollute as much as 50 million cars?

Written by Tomas Aminoff

[Currently] the result indicated that one large container vessel in the open sea emits as much sulphur as about 19 million cars in city traffic.
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[In the future] China will adopt new emissions regulations for on-road fuels, which are the same as those governing EU road traffic. This will cut the amount of sulphur emissions by cars from 50 to 10 ppm, which will result in a five-fold increase in the number of cars to one ship ratio, from almost 19 million to 93 million.

Furthermore, in countries like Germany and Sweden the sulphur rate in diesel is typically 2–3 ppm, which would further double the number of cars to approximately 185 million.
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https://www.cadmatic.com/resource/articles/does-one-ship-pollute-as-much-as-50-million-cars-



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  #2301205 18-Aug-2019 13:47
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Are the oxides of sulphur greenhouse gases?




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  #2301219 18-Aug-2019 15:02
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Dingbatt: Are the oxides of sulphur greenhouse gases?

No.
Actually the reverse is true if it reaches the stratosphere, it causes cooling, as evidenced from volcanic eruptions.
But this cooling effect doesn't happen from burning fossil fuel as the SO2 doesn't reach the stratosphere.
From the observation of cooling from some volcanic eruptions, it's been suggested that other aerosols could be injected into the stratosphere to counter warming. Unlikely that they'd want to use SO2, as it breaks down ozone.
So, it's not a greenhouse gas, and from industrial use it doesn't provide any cooling, but it's a nasty pollutant.

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  #2301222 18-Aug-2019 15:05
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You're right. Sulphur oxides may lower the Earth's temperature.

It does produce acid rain, sulphuric acid, which isn't good.

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  #2301292 18-Aug-2019 16:07
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So not really relevant to this thread then?




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  #2301300 18-Aug-2019 16:41
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Yep, mea culpa

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  #2301330 18-Aug-2019 18:02
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kingdragonfly: You're right. Sulphur oxides may lower the Earth's temperature.

It does produce acid rain, sulphuric acid, which isn't good.

 

A doco I watched a few years back talked about global cooling. Dust particles are very small, clouds are made up of dust particles with water attaching. The docs stated that small particles which are large and not greenhouses gases as they are just carbon particles, being larger, attach more water. More water, more filtering solar rays, = cooling. Theoretically you can ban greenhouse gases and burn stuff that is mainly larger carbon smoke particles. Hardware not gases.


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  #2301340 18-Aug-2019 18:31
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My initial mixup was confusing sulphur dioxides with nitrous oxide.

Fun fact: if you see lichens growing, it usually a good sign, a good bio-indicators of pollution. They don't like sulphur dioxide.

Regarding climate engineering / climate intervention / geoengineering, I got to wonder if reduce sunlight would mean less photosynthesis, so less fixing of CO2.

Here's an interesting article from 2018.

Harvard scientists will soon send chemicals into the atmosphere to test whether a last-ditch planet-hacking plan could keep Earth habitable

* It’s unlikely that humans will stop Earth’s temperature from surpassing 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, a rise that would lead to devastating climate change.

* To help cool the planet, some scientists are proposing the use of solar geoengineering, a method in which chemicals are sprayed into the atmosphere to reflect the sun’s rays back into space.

* A team of Harvard scientists plans on starting a real-world solar geoengineering study in early 2019.

* The scientists will release balloons containing calcium carbonate, which they expect to help lower temperatures.

* Some scientists are strongly opposed to solar geoengineering, saying the method could harm ecosystems and be weaponised.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/harvard-scientists-to-release-chemicals-into-sky-in-2019-to-cool-earth-2018-12

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  #2301341 18-Aug-2019 18:34
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Could solar geoengineering counter global warming?

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  #2301343 18-Aug-2019 18:40
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kingdragonfly: My initial mixup was confusing sulphur dioxides with nitrous oxide.

Fun fact: if you see lichens growing, it usually a good sign, a good bio-indicators of pollution. They don't like sulphur dioxide.

Regarding climate engineering / climate intervention / geoengineering, I got to wonder if reduce sunlight would mean less photosynthesis, so less fixing of CO2.

Here's an interesting article from 2018.

Harvard scientists will soon send chemicals into the atmosphere to test whether a last-ditch planet-hacking plan could keep Earth habitable

* It’s unlikely that humans will stop Earth’s temperature from surpassing 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, a rise that would lead to devastating climate change.

* To help cool the planet, some scientists are proposing the use of solar geoengineering, a method in which chemicals are sprayed into the atmosphere to reflect the sun’s rays back into space.

* A team of Harvard scientists plans on starting a real-world solar geoengineering study in early 2019.

* The scientists will release balloons containing calcium carbonate, which they expect to help lower temperatures.

* Some scientists are strongly opposed to solar geoengineering, saying the method could harm ecosystems and be weaponised.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/harvard-scientists-to-release-chemicals-into-sky-in-2019-to-cool-earth-2018-12

 

I am in favour

 

While stopping this is still possible, it would require a coordinated shift in the global economic system, which is unlikely.  So we cannot use economic cooperation

 

So, we can develop geotechnical means, this wont break the globe but we can experiment. Then we do it. BUT the economic side will still get in the way, so a global alliance needs to be formed. Difficult. It will be easy as in 100 years, as by then its ONLY about survival. What a crock us humans are. Its times like the you look at a cooperative means of life, instead of capitalism. 


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  #2303121 21-Aug-2019 16:26
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Follow up to previous thread

Advertisers pull funding over Sydney shock jock Alan Jones' comments about Jacinda Ardern

Australian radio host Alan Jones's station is "rattled" after 19 advertisers dumped it over his comments, the woman leading the campaign against him says.

A group of campaigners - the "Mad Witches", who take their name from a slur that Peter Dutton once made about a female journalist - are taking aim at companies that advertise on his show, demanding they drop ties with the radio station 2GB.

Spokesperson Jennie Hill told Morning Report that 19 advertisers had cut their deals with Macquarie Media because of Jones' comments, and the company had issued a statement that it would terminate his contract if he transgressed again.

"We've got 19 pulled out, we had a huge company called Chemist Warehouse pull out so yeah we actually are gobsmacked at how successful it's been," she said.

he said despite advertisers pulling out in previous controversies the network had never before threatened Jones' contract like this, so the cost of keeping him must be near outweighing the roughly $AU10m in revenue he brought in each year.

"They have to make a commercial decision. If advertisers withdraw support from the show then that has to be balanced with the trouble that he's causing. He's cost them a lot of money over the years in court cases and defamation payouts so he must be wearing out his welcome.

"Eventually that drop in revenue is probably going to bite pretty hard."

Jones, a former Wallabies coach, said last week New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern was a "clown" and suggested that Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison should "shove a sock down her throat".

Now, more audio has emerged of the broadcaster telling his listeners he hoped that Mr Morrison "backhands" her.

"This lightweight New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is challenging Scott Morrison over climate change. Now, I hope Scott Morrison gets tough here with a few backhanders. Hasn't got a clue, this woman."
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/397166/advertisers-pull-funding-over-sydney-shock-jock-alan-jones-comments-about-jacinda-ardern

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  #2303197 21-Aug-2019 16:47
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Posted in the wrong place, methinks.

 

 





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  #2303220 21-Aug-2019 18:11
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It's a follow up to previous post, where Alan Jones insults PM Jacinda Ardern in support of PM Scott "I love Aussie coal" Morrison

"This lightweight New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is challenging Scott Morrison over climate change..."
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https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=250970&page_no=20#2300376

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