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  #2323743 24-Sep-2019 10:25
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Yeah fair cop, Russians have never been great at nuclear safety. We should however be looking at how the Navy operates and why they are able to keep such a good record, We can say it's manpower and money but what specific practices and what would that cost in a semi commercial power plant setting where the primary goal was safety and secondary goal was a breakeven/minor return on costs. Would it be $1/mhw or $10000/mwh as a end result.

 

 

 

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  #2323780 24-Sep-2019 10:54
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More and more I am inclined to the belief that life is an inevitable consequence of the conditions that favour it, and is widespread throughout the Universe. Intelligence is an equally inevitable consequence of evolution. So why the big galactic silence? Because intelligence begets civilisation, which begets technology, which destroys the conditions necessary for life. We are on a well-trodden path and no-one has figured out the answer yet.

 

 





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  #2323784 24-Sep-2019 11:02
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Rikkitic:

 

More and more I am inclined to the belief that life is an inevitable consequence of the conditions that favour it, and is widespread throughout the Universe. Intelligence is an equally inevitable consequence of evolution. So why the big galactic silence? Because intelligence begets civilisation, which begets technology, which destroys the conditions necessary for life. We are on a well-trodden path and no-one has figured out the answer yet.

 

 

 

 

technology itself doesn't destroy anything, but it's greed for whatever it is that the power brokers greed for, they destroy the environment. in this world, it's greed for gaining more money at all costs. with the believe that having money will solve everything, when the environment is bad, well just pay for the best environment. carbon footprint is bad, well just pay to offset it. problem solved. why do you think they have a climate conference where everybody generates single use waste and fly over for a holiday in their private jets (or sail across continents to attend and they fly other people in to sail the yacht back). coz they can afford to pay to offset anything. if these fellas are serious about carbon footprint and plastic waste they wouldn't be doing what they're doing (which is they want the rest of the world to do something different but they themselves don't really want to change, no thanks)





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  #2323786 24-Sep-2019 11:07
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Rikkitic:

 

More and more I am inclined to the belief that life is an inevitable consequence of the conditions that favour it, and is widespread throughout the Universe. Intelligence is an equally inevitable consequence of evolution. So why the big galactic silence? Because intelligence begets civilisation, which begets technology, which destroys the conditions necessary for life. We are on a well-trodden path and no-one has figured out the answer yet.

 

 

 

 

Our intelligence is due to protein, however human intelligence is as fragile as the planet we live on. Life in some form probably exists in other locations in the universe, whether we can recognize it as life is another thing. One thing that is for sure there is no planet B for mankind or most creatures on earth.

 

There is an old saying that one should never pee in your own pool, boy have we missed that point.


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  #2323843 24-Sep-2019 12:12
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One thing that is for sure there is no planet B for mankind or most creatures on earth.

 

 

There are plenty of planets B, just no transport A. 

 

 





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  #2323895 24-Sep-2019 12:44
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Even if transport turned up tomorrow there would be no Planet B, We barely managed to survive a closed loop habitat on earth. No way we're surviving on Planet B without earth's support for quite some time





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Galaxies and galaxies and galaxies of stars and stars and stars with planets and planets and planets. The Universe is effectively infinite. It may even be actually infinite. There will be plenty of earth-like planets, most likely with earth-like creatures possessing earth-like DNA? Why not? In an infinite Universe everything must be possible. And even without an existing compatible life chemistry, it wouldn't take much to kick-start a Terran ecology as long as the environmental conditions are suitable. People have to take themselves to planet B, so presumably they would also take some seeds and fertiliser (self-produced) and other essentials to get going. I don't think this would be a barrier.

 

 





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  #2323909 24-Sep-2019 13:00
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Galaxies and galaxies and galaxies of stars and stars and stars with planets and planets and planets. The Universe is effectively infinite. It may even be actually infinite. There will be plenty of earth-like planets, most likely with earth-like creatures possessing earth-like DNA? Why not? In an infinite Universe everything must be possible. And even without an existing compatible life chemistry, it wouldn't take much to kick-start a Terran ecology as long as the environmental conditions are suitable. People have to take themselves to planet B, so presumably they would also take some seeds and fertiliser (self-produced) and other essentials to get going. I don't think this would be a barrier.

 

 

 

 

We cannot travel there as we cannot travel fast enough even if we could survive.


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  #2323913 24-Sep-2019 13:07
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Ok so plenty of planet B's, no planet B's for mankind today or in the near future





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I think the key for most of us will be efficient solar. Batteries are going to get cheaper for storage over time regardless, but efficient solar would be the piece of the puzzle that would make the biggest difference to our energy consumption habits. To be able to produce your own domestic and vehicle power needs on your own microgrid is probably the best we can hope for without totally collapsing our economy or way or life. 


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  #2323927 24-Sep-2019 13:25
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Don't bother travelling anywhere. Most of the visual of the stars/planets you see in the sky are so old that they probably no longer exist.





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  #2323976 24-Sep-2019 13:37
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Don't bother travelling anywhere. Most of the visual of the stars/planets you see in the sky are so old that they probably no longer exist.

 

 

Good point. But just imagine what is out there that we don't know about yet! Millions of radio civilisations just like ours that will be long-dead of asphyxia by the time their screaming pleas for help reach us.

 

 





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  #2323978 24-Sep-2019 13:42
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Note this happens every year. How much do you have to pay to offset this, or how many electric cars in Auckland to offset this?

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12270504





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  #2323980 24-Sep-2019 13:46
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Don't bother travelling anywhere. Most of the visual of the stars/planets you see in the sky are so old that they probably no longer exist.

 

 

 

 

But there are many more we are yet to see. As time progresses the night sky will fill with more and more twinkling little lights as the Universe unfolds in the eyes for those that are here. 


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  #2323982 24-Sep-2019 13:50
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GV27:

 

I think the key for most of us will be efficient solar. Batteries are going to get cheaper for storage over time regardless, but efficient solar would be the piece of the puzzle that would make the biggest difference to our energy consumption habits. To be able to produce your own domestic and vehicle power needs on your own microgrid is probably the best we can hope for without totally collapsing our economy or way or life. 

 

 

I think we need a bigger key. Efficient solar will certainly help, and a hundred years ago it might have fixed things, but what we need now is consensus at every level of society about the urgency and immediacy of the problem. If nay-sayers and vested interests could be swept aside, and people could be made to accept that things they used to take for granted were no longer a viable option, and international resources could be concentrated, and taxpayers could be persuaded to finance it all, then it could certainly be solved. But not at the rate we are going.

 

 





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