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  #2324163 24-Sep-2019 18:54
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Beccara:

 

The funny thing is there was a real threat of nuclear war and mass action was taken to walk ourselves back from the edge and we almost did a number of times on purpose and by accident

 

Acid rain was walked back with the clean air act mainly but rain is still more acidic than it was causing issues but we are just now starting to see signs of recovery in hard hit areas.

 

Lead and Mercury is simple, They are neurotoxic so we stopped putting lead in paint! Kids in the US have gone from 7.5% having concerning levels of lead in their blood in 1990's to under 1% today

 

AIDS has killed 35 million people world wide and only by sustained effort globally been walked back from certain death to somewhat manageable but is still a crisis in many parts of the world today.

 

Ebola again has only been halted from mass spread by concerted global efforts to stop it's spread during outbreaks AND we now have treatment protocols

 

Ozone hole was fixed with the banning of CFC's and took 20+ years to heal

 

 

 

Finally the impending ice age was early CC warnings, Pretty much everything you've listed was only solved by real effort and change. This attitude is kinda my point from a few pages back, Until CC is messing up a persons life directly it wont be taken seriously, We collectively are waiting for more "evidence" before taking action, hoping privately that there is still a fix on the table

 

 

 

 

 

 

I feel its more desperation. yeah I believe but I can make money, the guy next door can do stuff first. One day, our life will revolve around survival, it wont be GDP and Olympic gold medals


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  #2324174 24-Sep-2019 19:23
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tdgeek:

 

I raved about solar here, for every house, what an impact. But as I was told, the residential solar gain is VERY minimal. FAR more is used ny commercial and industrial.

 

 

Residential solar purely on a Kw in to Kw out basis, yes, of course bigger users would give more of a gain. But once you start fueling things like EVs with electrons from off your own roof, the game changes. 


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  #2324184 24-Sep-2019 19:53
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Beccara: -snip

The fact is the older you are the less likely you are to believe in CC. -snip


Believe in, as believe in Santa Claus? Believe in the tooth fairy, leprechauns, God, etc. All are based on unquestioning faith in what you are told.
As an example our business now has a Chief of Sustainability. In a recent staff meeting he was telling us how to reduce our carbon footprint, both personally and as a business.
When he was challenged by one of my colleagues (someone far less shy than me) to explain how it all works, he couldn't. He fudged around the edges but that really wasn't going to wash with a room full of people with a science background. In the end he just finished by saying "Well we all just have to".
And we all just do, because that is the path of least resistance. If it's said often enough it becomes the truth. I think someone might have said that in 1930s Europe.




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  #2324187 24-Sep-2019 20:11
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Believe it's real and happening, It's an even smaller subset who believe it's real and caused by humans, The evidence is clear and well verified. That CoS is what happens when you want to be seen to be doing something without doing anything/anything meaningful.





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  #2324291 25-Sep-2019 07:16
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GV27:

 

tdgeek:

 

I raved about solar here, for every house, what an impact. But as I was told, the residential solar gain is VERY minimal. FAR more is used ny commercial and industrial.

 

 

Residential solar purely on a Kw in to Kw out basis, yes, of course bigger users would give more of a gain. But once you start fueling things like EVs with electrons from off your own roof, the game changes. 

 

 

It was more from me, how much benefit residential solar would be if everyone had it, but the amount homes uses is bugger all, so a tiny dent in national usage. I thought it would be a big contributor and saver of hydro use and great idea.

 

Personally I love solar PV, even though its rarely a good investment. For an EV that "could" help viability, but you'd need to have it garaged and charging on at least a couple of sunny days, and sunny days don't always align with when you dont need the car. Winter, forget it


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  #2324398 25-Sep-2019 10:27
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Is there a reason car manufacturers don't put solar panels into the roof of cars? A lot of cars sit outside in the sun all day long.


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  #2324445 25-Sep-2019 10:52
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Is there a reason car manufacturers don't put solar panels into the roof of cars? A lot of cars sit outside in the sun all day long.

 

 

When I got quoted for solar, and failed as roof too intricate, the 330W panels were about 1.6m x 1m. you might get 900W per hour, 6 hours sun, maybe 5kW. And that's on the best day ever. Rain, cloud, moving shade from buildings, then forget Winter, hardly worth it. If they could be incorporated cheaply into the roof and hood, then why not.




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  #2324447 25-Sep-2019 10:58
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SJB:

 

Is there a reason car manufacturers don't put solar panels into the roof of cars? A lot of cars sit outside in the sun all day long.

 

 

The sun changes position and the cells are at their most efficient for a very small period of time.

 

Auto-makers are experimenting with up to 40% cells but considering the ideal vehicle size for battery efficiency is smaller, it also gives you less surface area to play with. 

 

You're better off having a bigger solar array on your roof or even one that can follow the sun and just filling up each night when you get home. 


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  #2324462 25-Sep-2019 11:08
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Beccara:

 

If your under 45 in the USA and republican 50% of you say CC is a serious issue, 45+ is 26%.

 

 

The meaning of this does very much depend on exactly what question was asked. For people over 45, it is unlikely that CC will have a significant effect on them during their lifetime, even if most live into their 80s and 90s. Conversely, preventing CC is something that they're going to have to pay for. So there's a strong incentive to dispute the importance of CC. None so blind...

 

This is particularly true in the USA, and amongst Republicans. They have a strong belief that you alone are the author of your success, and consequently the rich are entitled to whatever goodies they can get, and there is an aversion to contributing for the common good (i.e. subtracting from your success to contribute to someone else's). Even the Republican poor have this belief, I think on the basis that, if it weren't for a bit of bad luck, any one of them could have been Bill Gates.

 

 


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  #2324464 25-Sep-2019 11:12
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The sun heats up the entire car (and house) . No way to convert heat to electricity I gather?




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  #2324487 25-Sep-2019 11:24
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Batman: The sun heats up the entire car (and house) . No way to convert heat to electricity I gather?

 

Actually there is. It's called a thermocouple. 

 

 





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  #2324642 25-Sep-2019 15:49
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SJB:

 

Is there a reason car manufacturers don't put solar panels into the roof of cars? A lot of cars sit outside in the sun all day long.

 

 

 

 

Because they can put 400 bhp V8's in the empty space under the bonnet instead...!🤣






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  #2324667 25-Sep-2019 16:22
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Batman: The sun heats up the entire car (and house) . No way to convert heat to electricity I gather?

 

Actually there is. It's called a thermocouple. 

 

 

Regretfully, a thermocouple only generates microvolts and microamps.

 

It would be awesome to be able to convert all that waste heat into electricity.

 

 


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Did President Trump Mock Teen Activist Greta Thunberg?

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President Trump is taking on teen climate fighter Greta Thunberg after their frosty encounter at the United Nations Monday. The Swedish 16-year-old criticized world leaders for their lack of action to fight climate change. She has not mentioned Trump by name, but the president has suggested climate change does not exist or is not an immediate threat. On Monday night, the president tweeted, “She seems like a very happy young girl, looking forward to a bright and wonderful future, so nice to see.”


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kingdragonfly: Did President Trump Mock Teen Activist Greta Thunberg?

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President Trump is taking on teen climate fighter Greta Thunberg after their frosty encounter at the United Nations Monday. The Swedish 16-year-old criticized world leaders for their lack of action to fight climate change. She has not mentioned Trump by name, but the president has suggested climate change does not exist or is not an immediate threat. On Monday night, the president tweeted, “She seems like a very happy young girl, looking forward to a bright and wonderful future, so nice to see.”

 

The theme is right. The delivery I don't quite agree with.

 

Aggressive/Emotional theatrical face: "You've all stolen/ruined my childhood."

 

Umm ... excuse me? She is born a millionaire ... sailed across the world in her yacht, will fly in a ?private jet/?business/first class back home while a crew of 6 of her father's workers flies in to sail her yacht back across continents ... hmm ...





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