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  #2324995 26-Sep-2019 08:28
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@tdgeek with respect I disagree. The power plant did not spontaneously fail. It failed as a direct result of the offshore earthquake and resulting tsunami.


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  #2324996 26-Sep-2019 08:29
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We struggle to build a 2km section of rail line, what hope do we have of building a state of the art complex Nuclear power station?

I actually agree that safe Nuclear is the way to go for the North Island - but no one will want it in their backyard so to speak.

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  #2324999 26-Sep-2019 08:33
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Beccara:

 

Japan tends to place them quite far away from the fault lines tho, NZ makes it very tricky to get that far away from lines without bringing other natural risks into play. A BWR would also be north of $10bill to build and require either a reprocessing plant or shipping of waste overseas. BWR is NZ is silly not just from the risks, It's old and dangerous tech when compared to designs like the one you've pointed out

 

 

Disagree. They have more risk than us. Similar size country. 54 reactors. None have been affected by an EQ or tsunami. yes, old tech I think the doco said 1960's tech

 

So, that would work here. But use the 2018 tech that Gates Foundation designed and is about to test in China but Trump ended that, and its far far better than the old reactors in use globally. Despite their age they are safe, but factor in 20a8 tech its not only much much safer, they dont emit waste they use the waste

 

Watch the doco, Inside Bills Brain, last half of Part 3. These ones even run at atmospheric pressure, and not water cooled




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  #2325000 26-Sep-2019 08:40
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MikeB4:

 

@tdgeek with respect I disagree. The power plant did not spontaneously fail. It failed as a direct result of the offshore earthquake and resulting tsunami.

 

 

Thats not correct. The EQ did not break the installation, nor the other 54. the tsunami did not break the installation, not the other 54. When power was cut off and thus the water cooling, the diesel generators were flooded, by what was poor design location, placing them at near sea level. had that not been the case there would be no nuclear news to report on that day, except that all 54b were unaffected. Bear in mind these are old reactors, and they were fine. This new one is exponentially better in all respects

 

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  #2325004 26-Sep-2019 08:44
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insane: We struggle to build a 2km section of rail line, what hope do we have of building a state of the art complex Nuclear power station?

I actually agree that safe Nuclear is the way to go for the North Island - but no one will want it in their backyard so to speak.

 

Ok, if Kiwis are poor builders and engineers then maybe you are correct. If we did build one we wont build it, someone else will. But yes, nuclear has a bad name.

 

So does climate change. The end result is that we will burn FF for a very very long time. in 50 or 100 years there may be another way. I prefer a 50 to 100 year green transition not 100 years of FF till we find that other way

 

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  #2325005 26-Sep-2019 08:45
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insane: We struggle to build a 2km section of rail line, what hope do we have of building a state of the art complex Nuclear power station?

I actually agree that safe Nuclear is the way to go for the North Island - but no one will want it in their backyard so to speak.

 

is there an offshore island you can put it

 

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  #2325006 26-Sep-2019 08:45
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No point discussing nuclear I can see that, but watch the doco, its enlightening




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  #2325008 26-Sep-2019 08:47
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chevrolux:

 

The cult of Greta eh.

 

The tweet could have just as easily read;

 

Teenager (in a haranguing tone): You have stolen my childhood and my future.....

 

Grown Adults: Wow, who put these ideas in her head that make her so fearful and anxious?





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  #2325009 26-Sep-2019 08:48
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kingdragonfly: There are no perfect heroes.

King David was a murderous monster. Joan of Arc was insane. President George Washington owned hundreds of slaves. Gandhi was racist. President Kennedy was a spoiled brat and a philanderer. Every historical figure has feet of clay.

Greta has a right to be a nasty woman. If the world ends tomorrow, at least I've lived through two generations. She lived through a little over half of one.

We, the older generations screwed up. If we haven't doomed ourselves, we've certainly caused mass extinctions of many faultless species, through our bickering and greed.

 

I was afraid someone was going to point that out. In fact I just read that D Trump going for Nobel Peace Prize. (Sorry this has got nothing to do with Greta, it just happened that I just read it and I thought it connected with heroes and feet of clay ...)





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  #2325010 26-Sep-2019 08:48
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insane: We struggle to build a 2km section of rail line, what hope do we have of building a state of the art complex Nuclear power station?

I actually agree that safe Nuclear is the way to go for the North Island - but no one will want it in their backyard so to speak.


A nuclear plant located in any of the main islands and of shore island are at great risk from earthquake. A quake on the subduction zone will affect in a big way the whole of NZ. The Transalpine fault and the Hikurangi fault are overdue for a major event in the magnitude greater than 8 on the Richter scale. It would be extreme stupidity to locate even Bill Gates "safe" plant in NZ.

We are close to 90% green power without placing our children and grandchildren at more risk than we have already.

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  #2325011 26-Sep-2019 08:50
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MikeB4:
insane: We struggle to build a 2km section of rail line, what hope do we have of building a state of the art complex Nuclear power station?

I actually agree that safe Nuclear is the way to go for the North Island - but no one will want it in their backyard so to speak.


A nuclear plant located in any of the main islands and of shore island are at great risk from earthquake. A quake on the subduction zone will affect in a big way the whole of NZ. The Transalpine fault and the Hikurangi fault are overdue for a major event in the magnitude greater than 8 on the Richter scale. It would be extreme stupidity to locate even Bill Gates "safe" plant in NZ.

We are close to 90% green power without placing our children and grandchildren at more risk than we have already.

 

90%! All from hydro? I didn't know we had that many hydro plants - Do we know where all the hydro plants are?





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  #2325012 26-Sep-2019 08:51
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tdgeek:

 

No point discussing nuclear I can see that, but watch the doco, its enlightening

 

 

You are correct, there is no point in discussing solutions that don’t involve deprivation. At least not within the echo chamber.





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  #2325015 26-Sep-2019 09:00
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frednz:

 

What's the point of converting a nation's vehicles to electric if most of the electricity that's generated in that nation comes from fossil fuels?

 

 

Generating electricity from fossil fuels using a modern turbine is about twice as efficient as an ICE in a car. Even allowing for losses through transmission lines and battery charging, there is still a net benefit.

 

 


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  #2325018 26-Sep-2019 09:07
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insane: We struggle to build a 2km section of rail line, what hope do we have of building a state of the art complex Nuclear power station?

I actually agree that safe Nuclear is the way to go for the North Island - but no one will want it in their backyard so to speak.

 


Surely you would simply put such a project out to international tender to countries with appropriate expertise? I know that gets done sometimes - I worked for the UK company that built the Moa Point sewage treatment plant in Wellington.






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  #2325019 26-Sep-2019 09:10
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Batman:

 

MikeB4:
insane: We struggle to build a 2km section of rail line, what hope do we have of building a state of the art complex Nuclear power station?

I actually agree that safe Nuclear is the way to go for the North Island - but no one will want it in their backyard so to speak.


A nuclear plant located in any of the main islands and of shore island are at great risk from earthquake. A quake on the subduction zone will affect in a big way the whole of NZ. The Transalpine fault and the Hikurangi fault are overdue for a major event in the magnitude greater than 8 on the Richter scale. It would be extreme stupidity to locate even Bill Gates "safe" plant in NZ.

We are close to 90% green power without placing our children and grandchildren at more risk than we have already.

 

90%! All from hydro? I didn't know we had that many hydro plants - Do we know where all the hydro plants are?

 

 


Mostly south island - but they must all be old now as I think most of those projects were in the 60's and 70's were they not? I do not think many new ones have been built. There's geothermal round Rotovegas I think.






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