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#2390489 12-Jan-2020 10:07
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I really don't give a hoot about global warming and climate change it's already too late to stop what we r doing it's taken off and we can't stop it no matter what we do so i leave this post with an ok boomer to all you climate change activists peace out people 


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  #2392193 14-Jan-2020 19:30
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Video begins and ends with climate change talk, with Aussie PM looking like a "whacka" in the middle

If You Don’t Know, Now You Know: Australia’s Wildfires

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah

As wildfires tear through Australia, Prime Minister Scott Morrison takes heat for his handling of the situation, and Good Samaritans around the world step up to help.


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  #2402649 20-Jan-2020 19:19
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Examples

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/118914794/huge-golfballsized-hailstones-smash-canberra-as-dangerous-storms-sweep-nsw

 

Mid Summer in Canberra, but climate change causes more weather, more evaporation, so more falling rain/hail

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/118904753/bomb-blizzard-buried-cars-and-homes-with-more-than-12-feet-of-snow-in-parts-of-canada

 

Same thing,  more weather, in this case an historic blizzard. When temps pump more water upstairs it has to fall somewhere, somehow.

 

 




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  #2402770 21-Jan-2020 08:52
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Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


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  #2402777 21-Jan-2020 09:13
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Batman:

 

by not being able to afford the cost of building a new house https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/sustainable-living/118799141/new-houses-emitting-five-times-too-much-carbon--study

 

 

Its a fake article. It starts off sounding like NZ homes are 5 times worse than others. But its based on the 2050 target, its a target problem not a house problem. If the target was next week then Kiwi houses would be emitting thousands of % too much. Its clickbait. It concludes by saying that NZ houses are low emitters due to us using wood more and 80% green electricity.


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  #2402797 21-Jan-2020 09:26
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@tdgeek fake article? No not really. We don't build houses for just next week, we build them for the next 100 years plus.

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  #2402800 21-Jan-2020 09:32
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MikeB4: @tdgeek fake article? No not really. We don't build houses for just next week, we build them for the next 100 years plus.

 

No idea of your point, Mike. Our houses are apparently 5 times too many emissions, thats incorrect. Our houses are emissions friendly. The article starts out that our houses emit too much, thats fake, they dont

 

I didnt say we build houses just for next week, you misread something. My point was that if the target was next week, and not 2050 then our bad houses would be emitting many thousands of % too much. The writer seemed to need to pick on something so he picked on our bad emitting houses, thats fake news




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  #2402813 21-Jan-2020 09:44
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Look around a house being built today. How may plastics, Aluminium, and other emission intensive products. How far have the products travelled and how. How much of the construction, furnishing and finishes are made from non renewable materials.

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  #2402821 21-Jan-2020 10:08
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That is a valid point. Houses made of alternative materials like (locally sourced) straw and mud appear to be superior to traditional materials for characteristics like insulating properties and durability and probably other things as well. I'm not sure if much is being done in this area here, or what problems there would be with consents, but overseas I think there has been a lot more innovation in this area.  

 

 





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  #2402822 21-Jan-2020 10:08
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MikeB4: Look around a house being built today. How may plastics, Aluminium, and other emission intensive products. How far have the products travelled and how. How much of the construction, furnishing and finishes are made from non renewable materials.

 

I fully agree. That however wasn't the point of that article. The article decided our houses are bad, solely due to picking on the 2050 date, despite that fact that the houses are emissions efficient compared to other countries and that they will last 100 years.

 

We certainly should look at improving the houses as you suggested although I cant say Ive ever read anyone discussing that in the media. We could use more wood, but wooden exteriors and window frames are probably not the way to go as they will degrade over time. If plastics were recycled then using them is no issue, that therefore goes back to NZ's poor recycling record, we use many plastics that cannot be recycled. Wooden floors on piles would help too


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  #2402823 21-Jan-2020 10:10
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Rikkitic:

 

That is a valid point. Houses made of alternative materials like (locally sourced) straw and mud appear to be superior to traditional materials for characteristics like insulating properties and durability and probably other things as well. I'm not sure if much is being done in this area here, or what problems there would be with consents, but overseas I think there has been a lot more innovation in this area.  

 

 

 

 

Agree, we could do more, but we could do more with everything, but we don't. It might cost money and it might cost votes, thats the problem


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  #2402825 21-Jan-2020 10:19
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My point is, being "ok" compared to other countries is nowhere good enough. Houses built of sustainable timber such as Pine is the way to go including windows, cladding/interior walls, piles and roofing. Plastics are not sustainable.  I agree recycled plastics are away of dealing with the abomination now but the aim must always be to rid ourselves of them and the sooner the better.

 

The use of plastics and other "man made' products such as composite wood products (e.g custom wood) in the home add to making our homes a toxic living environment contributing to poor health and of course their production is not at all environmentally friendly.


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  #2402831 21-Jan-2020 10:33
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MikeB4:

 

My point is, being "ok" compared to other countries is nowhere good enough. Houses built of sustainable timber such as Pine is the way to go including windows, cladding/interior walls, piles and roofing. Plastics are not sustainable.  I agree recycled plastics are away of dealing with the abomination now but the aim must always be to rid ourselves of them and the sooner the better.

 

The use of plastics and other "man made' products such as composite wood products (e.g custom wood) in the home add to making our homes a toxic living environment contributing to poor health and of course their production is not at all environmentally friendly.

 

 

Fair enough, although I feel that an all pine house would fail, and begin to cause more issues with damp and losing heat etc.

 

Remember we can emit CO2, we just need to reduce it. The Earth needs CO2 in the atmosphere. But your points needs to be raised to EVERYTHING. We are better to make gains on everything than big gains on some things and TBH I doubt that all wood houses would work. Take cars. The EV brigade get angry when they read that a Suzuki Swift will get a subsidy. Well, that car reduces emissions. But thats a problem. Maybe tell them not to buy an EV and just walk? Yes thats better solution but it wont happen

 

In my opinion I dont buy into massive emmission cuts by being radical, as they just wont happen. Its far more achievable to make more modest gains over ALL products and services, that can be achievable.


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  #2402843 21-Jan-2020 10:55
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Interesting article on the population size's role in all this to be found in the current issue of North & South.






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  #2402867 21-Jan-2020 11:11
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@tdgeek, ever seen a Lockwood home? I am living in one and does not have any dampness or water issues at all. The windows are dry winter and summer. They also exceed earthquake and wind standards.

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