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Fred99
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  #2251012 4-Jun-2019 12:05
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kobiak:

 

https://www.rt.com/news/453382-greenpeace-founder-global-warming-scam/

 

not sure if it was posted before, but hey once again.

 

 

 

 

Wow.  The Russia Today propaganda site / fake news media citing an article in Breitbart.

 

Must be true. /s


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nzrock
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  #2251031 4-Jun-2019 12:11
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Rikkitic:

 

kobiak:

 

https://www.rt.com/news/453382-greenpeace-founder-global-warming-scam/

 

not sure if it was posted before, but hey once again.

 

 

 

 

From RT, that well-known source of objective, unbiased news.

 

 

 

 

Just like all main steam media in the states


Talkiet
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  #2251039 4-Jun-2019 12:14
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nzrock:

 

[snip]

 

just as reliable as the main stream media in the states

 

 

LOL. Also, can you please respond to my earlier posts and justify why you don't think interactions are things that exist.

 

N.

 

 





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nzrock
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  #2251041 4-Jun-2019 12:14
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Fred99:

 

kobiak:

 

https://www.rt.com/news/453382-greenpeace-founder-global-warming-scam/

 

not sure if it was posted before, but hey once again.

 

 

 

 

Wow.  The Russia Today propaganda site / fake news media citing an article in Breitbart.

 

Must be true. /s

 

 

just as reliable as the main stream media out of the states


Mistenfuru
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  #2251045 4-Jun-2019 12:18
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just as reliable as the main stream media out of the states

 

 

 

 

It would be better if he were legitimately a Co-Founder of Greenpeace and not a Nuclear Lobbyist

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/patrick-moore-climate-doubter/


nzrock
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  #2251054 4-Jun-2019 12:20
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Talkiet:

 

nzrock:

 

Rikkitic:

 

I think it is a stupid question. Can a man outrun a cheetah? Can a weightlifter beat an elephant? It is comparing apples to oranges. If the sun went out tomorrow, nothing we could do would compensate for that. It doesn't matter whether or not we have more effect on the climate than the sun does. What matters is that we have some effect, and that is causing us big problems.

 

 

It is not a stupid question, it is a very straight forward question.

 

You ether believe that man is responsible for climate change, with the sun having minimal effect or the sun is responsible for the current climate change with man having a minimal effect.

 

[snip]

 

 

With all due respect, you're completely wrong.

 

It's logically possible for a very small force to have a massive impact. Read my lever comment further up. A small bump could unbalance a thousand ton rock and destroy a building.

 

You're asking me to decide if it was the small tap I made, or the thousand ton rock that destroyed the building, and excluding the actual situation of it being both.

 

Cheers - N

 

 

 

 

let me rephrase the question

 

if the suns output increased by 10% and mans output of greenhouse gasses increased by 10%, which one would have the greater effect ?

 

 


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  #2251061 4-Jun-2019 12:25
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nzrock:

 

if the suns output increased by 10% and mans output of greenhouse gasses increased by 10%, which one would have the greater effect ?

 

 

That is an even stupider question. What point are you trying to make? There is no direct correlation here. It is a false equivalence.

 

 





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nzrock
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  #2251066 4-Jun-2019 12:30
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Rikkitic:

 

nzrock:

 

if the suns output increased by 10% and mans output of greenhouse gasses increased by 10%, which one would have the greater effect ?

 

 

That is an even stupider question. What point are you trying to make? There is no direct correlation here. It is a false equivalence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

the point i am trying to make is that the suns ability to effect our climate is magnitudes greater than what man can do (except by nuking the planet) but you never here the sun mentioned by any climate scientist.


Talkiet
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  #2251068 4-Jun-2019 12:30
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nzrock:

Talkiet:


nzrock:


Rikkitic:


I think it is a stupid question. Can a man outrun a cheetah? Can a weightlifter beat an elephant? It is comparing apples to oranges. If the sun went out tomorrow, nothing we could do would compensate for that. It doesn't matter whether or not we have more effect on the climate than the sun does. What matters is that we have some effect, and that is causing us big problems.



It is not a stupid question, it is a very straight forward question.


You ether believe that man is responsible for climate change, with the sun having minimal effect or the sun is responsible for the current climate change with man having a minimal effect.


[snip]



With all due respect, you're completely wrong.


It's logically possible for a very small force to have a massive impact. Read my lever comment further up. A small bump could unbalance a thousand ton rock and destroy a building.


You're asking me to decide if it was the small tap I made, or the thousand ton rock that destroyed the building, and excluding the actual situation of it being both.


Cheers - N


 



let me rephrase the question


if the suns output increased by 10% and mans output of greenhouse gasses increased by 10%, which one would have the greater effect ?


 



You've asked an impossible to answer question. It is flawed and any answer would be meaningless

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Mistenfuru
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  #2251069 4-Jun-2019 12:31
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the point i am trying to make is that the suns ability to effect our climate is magnitudes greater than what man can do (except by nuking the planet) but you never here the sun mentioned by any climate scientist

 

 

 

Because we can't do anything about it? At this point in time WE are affecting the climate (sure the Sun is too) but WE should do something to change our own output for the better.


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  #2251070 4-Jun-2019 12:32
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tdgeek:

Mistenfuru:


more CO2 = more plant food, which means more plants + more O2, which means more food for herbivorous,  which means more food for everybody, which as to be good for the planet's ecosystem


Sadly it doesn't work that way, we've almost reached the point where increases in global temperature have more negative effect on plant growth than the benefits of an increase in C02



I believe that there was an issue with the Amazon, where the temp caused the greenery to shut down and emit CO2 instead of taking it in



Jeff Bezos has a lot to answer for with that Amazon thing.




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kobiak
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  #2251078 4-Jun-2019 12:43
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@Fred99 yeah haha but it just gives another view. and kinda does make sense as a lot of people milking climate change (the same way as others milking oil/gas scarcity for the past 30 years, but yet next year oil companies pre-releases new development with world record barrels of oil/gas/etc) and create hoax to the public.

 

we all talk about trees and how they produce oxygen, but scientists insist that phytoplankton is the source of upto 85% of all oxygen on earth. yet no-one can calculate that. 

 

 





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boland
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  #2251082 4-Jun-2019 12:46
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Even though New Zealand is small, I think it's worthwhile to do something about climate change. This way we can set an example. Otherwise other countries can say "hey nobody else is doing something, we don't do anything either". Finger pointing is useless.

 

I truly believe man-made climate change is real. But, even if it isn't, moving to a green / renewable / cleaner environment is a big win?

 

Interesting thing about natural gas. We've got an infinity hot water system, our house is only 3 years old. We've got solar panels, so could switch to electric hot water.


Mistenfuru
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  #2251085 4-Jun-2019 12:50
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boland: Interesting thing about natural gas. We've got an infinity hot water system, our house is only 3 years old. We've got solar panels, so could switch to electric hot water.

 

 

Apparently Heat-Pump Hotwater systems are really efficient

 

I agree wholeheartedly, we're spending so much time arguing whether manmade climate change is real or not that we're delaying a solution


boland
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  #2251095 4-Jun-2019 13:01
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Yep let's just try to do something about it. If it turns out, man-made climate change isn't real, we moved to a greener, cleaner and more sustainable environment. And otherwise we did all the best we could to save the planet.

 

Also, if you want to read more about the collapse of society, /r/collapse is the place to be.


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