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  #2831511 13-Dec-2021 15:32
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Rikkitic:

 

Now that record-breaking super tornadoes (predicted by climate experts) have wiped out much of Kentucky and neighbouring states, does anyone still think that climate change isn't real?

 

 

define record braking
then define scaremongering

 

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/10-worst-tornadoes-in-us-history-2647160

 

 

 

 

Define baiting.

 

Then spell record-breaking

 

 

 

 





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  #2831513 13-Dec-2021 15:40
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tdgeek:

 

7 of those 10 were a LONG time ago, so I wonder what this event would have been ;like in 1840 or 1920, to get a better comparison of deaths, as the buildings that exist, matter.

 

 

 

 

This is the point. Building codes did not exist in 1840, a time when an infected wood splinter injury could also be lethal. When you compare apples and oranges, you just get a weird-tasting fruit drink.

 

 





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  #2831618 13-Dec-2021 17:08
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Just dropped a big chunk of change on a 175 Suzuki to repower the boat.  This will reduce my fuel consumption per mile by abut 30%.  Will also be quieter, no-more nasty two stroke fumes and will start first time every time.  Oh and it's faster 😈





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  #2832235 14-Dec-2021 15:31
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Since we're talking about tornados and climate change, this may be of interest:

 

 

 

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2021/12/13/what-if-anything-is-climate-change-doing-to-tornadoes

 

 


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  #2832320 14-Dec-2021 18:42
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I created a topic for the tornado a few days ago. It'd probably unnoticed because I left out the word tornado.. 🀦

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=291918

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  #2832328 14-Dec-2021 19:00
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gzt: I created a topic for the tornado a few days ago. It'd probably unnoticed because I left out the word tornado.. 🀦

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=291918&page_no=1#2831582

 

:-)

 

I'd update the title! 

 

But yeah its a shocker. Its like having big hail on a NZ Christmas Day, or a 28 degree day in July. 


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  #2832329 14-Dec-2021 19:02
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gzt: I created a topic for the tornado a few days ago. It'd probably unnoticed because I left out the word tornado.. 🀦

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=291918&page_no=1#2831582

 

Im selling a lawnmower but left out the word lawnmower! 

 

Sorry, had to say that! But as I said in your thread, it is huge. Its no anomaly, its real




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  #2832330 14-Dec-2021 19:03
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frankv:

 

Since we're talking about tornados and climate change, this may be of interest:

 

 

 

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2021/12/13/what-if-anything-is-climate-change-doing-to-tornadoes

 

 

 

 

Not sure what your point is.


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  #2832356 14-Dec-2021 19:56
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1101:

 

define record braking
then define scaremongering

 

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/10-worst-tornadoes-in-us-history-2647160

 



 

You are wasting your time dropping facts into the echo chamber.

 

The fact that worse outbreaks have occurred in the same region in 1911, 1913, 1925, 1951, 1952 and 1974, some even at the same time of year, is wasted. It’s only record breaking if you don’t bother looking at the records.

 

After all, the President of the United States called it a hurricane. Which truely would have been a record breaking “tornado” because hurricanes tend to be hundreds of miles across.

 

When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail I’m afraid.





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  #2832477 14-Dec-2021 20:48
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Dingbatt:

 

You are wasting your time dropping facts into the echo chamber.

 

The fact that worse outbreaks have occurred in the same region in 1911, 1913, 1925, 1951, 1952 and 1974, some even at the same time of year, is wasted. It’s only record breaking if you don’t bother looking at the records.

 

After all, the President of the United States called it a hurricane. Which truely would have been a record breaking “tornado” because hurricanes tend to be hundreds of miles across.

 

When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail I’m afraid.

 

 

So what argument are you making here? That tornadoes are just the same as they have always been? I don’t think the evidence supports that. 

 

When you are a cynic, everything looks like a dog’s breakfast, I am afraid.





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  #2832568 14-Dec-2021 22:29
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The more I read of the nonsense that is going on such as infantile students getting lecturers sacked because they disagree with them etc the less I am inclined to be at all concerned that mankind may come to an end sooner rather than later. 






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  #2832780 15-Dec-2021 11:40
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Rikkitic:

 

So what argument are you making here? That tornadoes are just the same as they have always been? I don’t think the evidence supports that. 

 

 

From the Economist article I linked earlier:

 

 

 It is also true that, in its latest assessment of the physical science of climate change, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) found that “Climate models consistently project environmental changes that would support an increase in the frequency and intensity of severe thunderstorms that combine tornadoes, hail, and winds.” For example “Convective available potential energy”, a measure of how much trouble a particular bit of atmosphere can store up, is expected to rise along with the temperature.

 

But that does not mean that Deanne Criswell, head of America’s Federal Emergency Management Agency, is right when she says that this sort of weather will be the new normal. Most strikingly, although the world has already seen around 1.1-1.2°C of warming, American tornadoes have not in fact become more common; there is no discernible trend in their frequency. Despite the fact that various underlying factors suggest a trend might be expected, the IPCC feels that predictions of such a trend cannot be made with any confidence. 

 

 

When the IPCC says there's no discernible trend, I'll take that as fact over some anecdotal supposition that there must be a trend.

 

 


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  #2832804 15-Dec-2021 12:25
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When the IPCC says there's no discernible trend, I'll take that as fact over some anecdotal supposition that there must be a trend.

 

 

I read the article (and also a number of other sources) and I get something different. The IPCC is not saying there is no trend. It is saying it cannot (yet) discern one from the available data. This is being appropriately conservative. It is not drawing a conclusion. 

 

 





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  #2832812 15-Dec-2021 12:40
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MikeAqua:

 

Just dropped a big chunk of change on a 175 Suzuki to repower the boat.  This will reduce my fuel consumption per mile by abut 30%.  Will also be quieter, no-more nasty two stroke fumes and will start first time every time.  Oh and it's faster 😈

 

 

You should follow the example of the Wellington harbour ferry and go electric πŸ˜€ Charge points off shore could be a problem though and extension cords are a bugger in water.


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  #2832813 15-Dec-2021 12:43
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Rikkitic:

 

 

 

So what argument are you making here? That tornadoes are just the same as they have always been? I don’t think the evidence supports that. 

 

When you are a cynic, everything looks like a dog’s breakfast, I am afraid.

 

 

While increased severity is a factor and definitely happening  the real concern is the increased occurrence of severe weather events.  


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