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# 251362 21-Jun-2019 13:27
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I have posted various times about our RBI issues. We are with Netspeed which uses a Vodafone mast to supply our signal. There is only one mast we can communicate with and it is about 20 km away. In the past I have been able to get good speeds with two outdoor antennas but that was a long time ago. Over time our connection seems to have become worse and worse. Based on my experience and what I have been told, this appears to be due to congestion. In the afternoon we often get excellent performance and Ookla speed tests can reach 30 Mbps down. In the evening, usually right around 8 pm, this drops to the point that live streaming becomes nearly impossible, with often high latency and download speeds under 2 Mbps. We also often experience this on weekends and during school holidays, all of which seems to point to mast congestion.

 

When our RBI works well, it works very well. But when things get busy, usually exactly when we want to watch something, it can be hopeless, with constant buffering and freezing. This is very frustrating but we have put up with it because we didn't have an alternative. Until now.

 

The alternative is a local WISP, operated by regional provider AO Net. We have perfect line of sight to a nearby tower from a hill behind our house. Unfortunately, the hill blocks the tower from the house, but the WISP installer thinks we can get away with a lengthy antenna cable run. We have measured it out and it comes to nearly exactly 80 meters, which the installer says is at the extreme end but should still work. 

 

The WISP says it can provide download speeds "up to" 30 Mbps. I'm not sure what that means in this case. I wouldn't want much slower but I suppose 15-20 Mbps would be okay if it didn't drop below that, as is currently the case with RBI, which often jumps all over the place. This is especially apparent when trying to stream something with adaptive streaming as the picture quality keeps changing.

 

I don't know anything about WISP technology, except that it operates at microwave frequencies. I would be interested to know what our resident experts think about this. Is a WISP with 80 meters of antenna cable likely to do any better than our current RBI set-up? What about reliability? Is this something worth trying? It would really be nice to just be able to sit down when we want to and stream what we want to. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  # 2261949 21-Jun-2019 13:35
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Up to 30Mbp/s could also mean 1 or 2 Mbp/s


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  # 2261950 21-Jun-2019 13:36
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Hi, cannot comment on AO in particular, but as for the 80m antenna cable, this will infact be an ethernet cable as WISP operators use equipment that have the antenna and electronics all combined in one unit. As such 80m is within the standard 100m ethernet channel length, as this would only be a 100mb/s interface (as opposed to Gig) it is possible to stretch over 100m by a small amount, but if its only 80m then it will perform at full speed.

 

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  # 2261953 21-Jun-2019 13:47
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You can also add hardware at each end of a CAT5E/CAT6 cable and extend the reach, including PoE at the far end.




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  # 2261958 21-Jun-2019 13:57
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Hi, cannot comment on AO in particular, but as for the 80m antenna cable, this will infact be an ethernet cable as WISP operators use equipment that have the antenna and electronics all combined in one unit. As such 80m is within the standard 100m ethernet channel length, as this would only be a 100mb/s interface (as opposed to Gig) it is possible to stretch over 100m by a small amount, but if its only 80m then it will perform at full speed.

 

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This is really helpful information. My technical knowledge is limited but not completely absent. I didn't know the 'antenna' cable would actually be an ethernet one, but I do understand the difference. This is reassuring and agrees with what the installer said. I now understand what he was talking about.

 

 





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I currently use AONET and they are fantastic. I've also over time migrated most of my clients onto their services. The standard plan speed is 30/10 and so far I havent seen any of my clients plans not consistently acheive advertised speeds. AONET uses 5Ghz Ubiquiti wireless radios and is proactive in making sure things are right. Unfortunately no one will guarantee you a speed as all standard plans on any ISP whether they be 3G/4G, Fibre, xDSL or Wireless are considered best effort and speeds are only a guide.

 

As long as you have clear line of sight you should get their advertised speeds. I suspect their installer is talking about an outdoor ethernet cable rather than an antenna cable as the client radio will be connected to your router via ethernet and the client radio powered with PoE, so the maximum distance for CAT5/6 cable run is 100m.

 

 




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  # 2261967 21-Jun-2019 14:24
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I get it now. I was thinking of RF over coax. I now understand how this is being done.

 

Thanks for the endorsement of AO Net. That gives me much more confidence. I will definitely give them a try.

 

 





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  # 2262039 21-Jun-2019 15:31
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dimsim:

 

I currently use AONET and they are fantastic. I've also over time migrated most of my clients onto their services. The standard plan speed is 30/10 and so far I havent seen any of my clients plans not consistently acheive advertised speeds. AONET uses 5Ghz Ubiquiti wireless radios and is proactive in making sure things are right. Unfortunately no one will guarantee you a speed as all standard plans on any ISP whether they be 3G/4G, Fibre, xDSL or Wireless are considered best effort and speeds are only a guide.

 

As long as you have clear line of sight you should get their advertised speeds. I suspect their installer is talking about an outdoor ethernet cable rather than an antenna cable as the client radio will be connected to your router via ethernet and the client radio powered with PoE, so the maximum distance for CAT5/6 cable run is 100m.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can actually go several hundred meters with PoE midspan type devices, and still get gig links now - there are some cool new bits of equipment out there. Not that you would need a gigabit link for this purpose. If it was me, I'd rather the WISP over RBI, WISPs do have the potential to be a bit rubbish if they skimp on their own network or install in less than ideal conditions, but good comments from someone else who is with them already would be enough to sway me. 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2262040 21-Jun-2019 15:37
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dimsim:

 

I currently use AONET and they are fantastic. I've also over time migrated most of my clients onto their services. The standard plan speed is 30/10 and so far I havent seen any of my clients plans not consistently acheive advertised speeds. AONET uses 5Ghz Ubiquiti wireless radios and is proactive in making sure things are right. Unfortunately no one will guarantee you a speed as all standard plans on any ISP whether they be 3G/4G, Fibre, xDSL or Wireless are considered best effort and speeds are only a guide.

 

As long as you have clear line of sight you should get their advertised speeds. I suspect their installer is talking about an outdoor ethernet cable rather than an antenna cable as the client radio will be connected to your router via ethernet and the client radio powered with PoE, so the maximum distance for CAT5/6 cable run is 100m.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can actually go several hundred meters with PoE midspan type devices, and still get gig links now - there are some cool new bits of equipment out there. Not that you would need a gigabit link for this purpose. If it was me, I'd rather the WISP over RBI, WISPs do have the potential to be a bit rubbish if they skimp on their own network or install in less than ideal conditions, but good comments from someone else who is with them already would be enough to sway me. 

 

 

 

 

Wow, nice info.. thanks for that - what a simple idea, @$30 they're a steal too.


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  # 2262047 21-Jun-2019 15:50
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I saw these the other day and thought cool, however I note they call them Gigabit Passive Ethernet Repeaters, then you see that they require POE to work and consume around 2W, so I guess there is (as you would expect) active interfaces and equalisers that let them "passively" do their thing.

 

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  # 2262076 21-Jun-2019 17:06
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Just curious, when the client radio is 80m from the house, where does it get its power from?

 

Solar/Wind + battery, underground cable from the house?


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  # 2262078 21-Jun-2019 17:07
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PoE - power over Ethernet. There is a power injector in the house, and this sends DC voltage up the cable which powers the radio. 


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  # 2262079 21-Jun-2019 17:10
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PoE - power over Ethernet. There is a power injector in the house, and this sends DC voltage up the cable which powers the radio. 

 

 

Oh, a piece of cake then. Thanks.


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  # 2262114 21-Jun-2019 18:11
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Rikkitic can you post back how this goes. I'm Hawkes Bay rbi as well. I have been having some issues as well of late  with a different supplier. I have been advised improvement to my tower and an upgrade at my property are happening, but one needs to keep ones options open. 




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  # 2262124 21-Jun-2019 18:34
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Happy to post my experiences. This week we have been given the task of installing a mounting post for the antenna/equipment and preparing a conduit pipe for the cable. The installer is supposed to ring next week to do the actual installation. We are old people and don't believe in cell phones so will want VOIP for our house phone but will first see how the new Internet connection works in practice. If everything is as hoped after a couple of months, we will transfer the phone and cancel the other account.

 

 

 

 





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Rikkitic:

 

Happy to post my experiences. This week we have been given the task of installing a mounting post for the antenna/equipment and preparing a conduit pipe for the cable. The installer is supposed to ring next week to do the actual installation. We are old people and don't believe in cell phones so will want VOIP for our house phone but will first see how the new Internet connection works in practice. If everything is as hoped after a couple of months, we will transfer the phone and cancel the other account.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hope it goes well, Rikki


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