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# 70377 22-Oct-2010 19:12
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Ok ok, So I just sent a HUGE email to a friend of mine, attempting to persaude him why he should give Iron Maiden a listen. Here is my argument.... This is very Long. 

 They are British?! And Bruce Dickinson is called "The most Charming man in metal".  and he is 52! Wow and still does what he does! Thats my dads age!


Its not just all "heavy meta"l crap with them. The majority of there songs actually discuss politics, History, and there opinions on the world today (the newest album) - such as the influence of the media.
The reason I like them very much is they dont sing about pointless crap such as what you find in the music of today (Rap, R&B, Pop) In fact most of it is interesting and based on historical truth.
For example.


The songs.. "War related"


Aces High- Is all about the battle of Britain, and the hardship that the British people faced and the influence of Churchill.


The Trooper- This song is based on an actual event and the Alfred Lord Tennyson poem called the "charge of the light brigade".
During the crimean war (1853-1856) about 670 british cavalrymen charged russian artillery positions through what became known as the valley of death (balaclava, crimea).
The troopers (cavalry soldiers) were torn apart by the Russians.


Paschendale- Based on the battle of Paschendale- a horrific WWI battle also known as "The Third Battle of Ypres" on October 12-26 1917. In this battle, there were many casualties - the Germans lost approximately 250,000 men, while the British forces lost about 300,000, including 36,500 Australians; 90,000 British and Australian bodies were never identified, and 42,000 were never recovered


The Longest Day- .This is about D-Day or the Normandy landings, similarities are also drawn with Gallipoli. It really speaks of the horrors and the sacrifices the soldiers made. They are "taking bullets for the people who sent them there."
It's as if the politicians who send the soldiers to war are using them as a renewable resource, replacing them with new ones as they get killed.


"Politics"


Where the wild wind Blows- Basically, it's about something that is all too real in modern society - the sensationalization of disaster. The BP oil spill is the worst in U.S. history, so it gets daily coverage; the seafood business is down a lot more than expected because of the false assumption that all Gulf seafood is tainted by oil. It also looks at how society and the media views things- "Have you heard what they said on the news today?Have you heard what is coming to us all?"


El Dorado- It is very cynical about the economic situation that's been happening for the past few years. It seemed a bit like a perfect storm; people were borrowing money like crazy. I thought, 'This is really going to screw people up' and sure enough, the majority of the world is in economic trouble. And that's what El Dorado is about, it's about selling somebody the myth that 'The streets are paved with gold' and them asking, 'Where do I sign up?'."


2 Minutes to Midnight- Is about the threat of the Cold war on the world, as it could cause a nuclear winter, which would have made it dark for years (hence "midnight is all night"). The actual line "2 minutes to midnight" is saying how close it was to happening, "midnight" represents the Cold war. Actually, the "2 minutes" refers to an actual system the U.S. used to determine how close they were to nuclear war, Midnight being the start of the nuclear holocaust.


Where eagles dare-  Is based on the movie "Where Eagles dare" is WWII spy-movie about a group of allied commandos operating under British intelligence in the winter of 1943-1944. Their mission involves parachuting into the snowy Alps behind enemy lines and infiltrate the otherwise unreachable caste know as “The Caste of the Eagles”. A complicated mission like this never goes completely as planned and the soldiers soon finds that the challenge has gone from extremely difficult to virtual impossible.


Be quick or be dead- Yeah, this song really does speak for it self. Be quick or be dead. All about living in today's cut-throat society, and how the rich people truly have all the power. Money is what makes our lives worth, but it also kills us. You've gotta be quick, or you'll be dead.


Hallowed be thy name- Discusses the ethics behind capital punishment, And looks into the possibility of people being executed without just cause, and how people reflect on death as they approach it.


"Religion"


The Sign of the Cross- This is about the inquisition, where catholics tortured and burned a tonne of "heretics" often when you pray to god for forgivness you have to admit you dont deserve access to heaven "Why the is God still protecting me Even when I don't deserve it" And when judgment day comes god will judge our souls, "Holding communion so the world be blessed
My creator, my God'll lay my soul to rest". This is one of my  favorite songs because it has such a powerful chorus... "The sign of the cross The name of the rose... a fire in the sky, The sign of the cross"


For the greater good of God- This is about how Religion has caused many wars and suffering over the years, but it is not the religion to blame but the leaders.  It shows how the beauty of faith has been perverted by certain leaders. Whether it be the Crusades, bin-Laden or countless other bloody acts in the name of religion, it is all contrary to what God would want from us.
"He gave his life for us
He fell upon the cross
To die for all of those
who never mourn his loss
It wasn't meant for us
to feel the pain again
Tell me why, tell me why"



"Historical Figures"


Alexander the Great- Well, obviously the song's about Alexander the Great. Brilliant song, especially seeing as it's surprsingly historically accurate. It's very difficult to write an accurate song about someone that actually existed.
How on earth did they get all that suprisingly true to its word infomation to rhyme? Its near impossible to get any infomation to rhyme. This is musical genius!



Some which suit your forte...


Rime of the ancient mariner- Based on the poem by Samuel Taylor Coleridge  "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner relates the supernatural events experienced by a mariner on a long sea voyage. The mariner stops a man who is on the way to a wedding ceremony, and begins to recite his story. The wedding guest's reaction turns from bemusement and impatience to fascination as the mariner's story progresses.
The mariner's tale begins with his ship leaving harbour. Despite initial good fortune, the ship is driven off course by a storm and, driven south, eventually reaches Antarctica. An albatross, traditionally a good omen, appears and leads them out of the threatening land of ice; even as the albatross is praised by the ship's crew, however, it is shot by the mariner with a crossbow, for reasons unknown. This crime arouses the wrath of supernatural spirits who then pursue the ship; the south wind which had initially led them from the land of ice now sends the ship into uncharted waters, where it is becalmed.


Ghost of the Navigator- This is based upon Odysseus from Homers Odyssey. And it discusses the feelings of being alone out at sea, and the appreciation for land, when you are surrounded by water and the longing for home.


As for the "music" being dreadful, its usually the instruments, and the lyrics that draws people to this music. In comparison to other bands who just blab on about nothing for 3.00 mins, when Iron Maiden can really play for 12.00 mins and get a message, historical and political information across. Thats musical talent.


I hope you take my argument into consideration :) and give them a try (it doesn't hurt to try!) . Sorry this is ridiculously long! Enjoy your long weekend.

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  # 394853 22-Oct-2010 19:23
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I was thinking about this the other day while enjoying The Final Frontier (a bloody good album, IMHO). I think Iron Maiden do themselves a serious disservice with all the heavy metal imagery that they use on their album artwork. Don't get me wrong; Eddie is very much part of the Iron Maiden ethos and (if you will) culture. But the menacing demeanor associated with him is not a true reflection of the highly complex (and often delicate) musical nature of many Maiden tunes. This is one seriously talented band musically, but to look at their imagery it is very easy for the uninitiated to simply write them off as yet another loud and talentless band of heavy metal hacks. I once heard it said that heavy metal is the modern equivalent of classical music, and I think Maiden are one of the strongest examples to support this argument.

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  # 394868 22-Oct-2010 20:16
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Up the Irons, have been listening to them since the 80's :) As for the cover art making people right them off I think is a little off the mark.

Eddie is the man. Iron Maiden's music and artwork go hand in hand both are amazing, both have a huge amount of detail and finishing touches.

I'm glad other generations are enjoying the music they put out, just goes to show that a band that was founded in the 80's is still current.

What I've found is that every album I've picked up and listened to of theirs is the same great quality, and roughly 65minutes as maiden has always said they wanted to give their fans as much music as they can on disc.

I use to wear an Iron Maiden T-Shirt when I was at college, 7th form year. Ahh many many good memories. Have a maiden T-Shirt hiding in the wardrobe, might have to start wearing it again.



 
 
 
 




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  # 394870 22-Oct-2010 20:24
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 I use to wear an Iron Maiden T-Shirt when I was at college, 7th form year. Ahh many many good memories. Have a maiden T-Shirt hiding in the wardrobe, might have to start wearing it again.




You must :)

I have the "Piece of Mind" and "The Trooper" Tee shirts and I love them to bits! :)  

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  # 394908 22-Oct-2010 22:39
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I just listen to them because I like the sound (as I do with most bands unless the lyrics are terrible)

The topics and lyrics in some of the some just make them all the better. :D




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  # 394953 23-Oct-2010 07:32
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Lurch: Up the Irons, have been listening to them since the 80's :) As for the cover art making people right them off I think is a little off the mark.

Eddie is the man. Iron Maiden's music and artwork go hand in hand both are amazing, both have a huge amount of detail and finishing touches.


Heh. I knew this would be a difficult point to get across. What I was trying to say is that a lot of Iron Maidens music is a lot more musically complex and, dare I say, delicate than their album artwork would tend to suggest. As a result there may be a lot of music listeners out there who may not necessarily be fans of heavy metal but would enjoy a lot of what Maiden have to offer.

Don't get me wrong; I personally have always enjoyed Iron Maiden artwork, and Eddie is a great mascot. I was just musing that Eddies aggressive image doesn't mean that a Maiden album is non-stop aggression.

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  # 394954 23-Oct-2010 07:36
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 I use to wear an Iron Maiden T-Shirt when I was at college, 7th form year. Ahh many many good memories. Have a maiden T-Shirt hiding in the wardrobe, might have to start wearing it again.


When I was a teenager, I used to have a denim jacket with Eddie in his classic Trooper stance on the back. As one of the very few metallers in our little town, I really stood out like a sore thumb when wearing it. Which I loved. :-D

I now have an Iron Maiden concert t-shirt, with Eddie on the front dressed like an All Black, carrying a rather aggressive looking sheep under his arm like a rugby ball. That one is still in frequent rotation. :-)

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  # 394971 23-Oct-2010 09:55
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I found the OP's comments very interesting and to be honest I had never even thought about Iron Maiden in this sense even though I have been listening to them since the 80's.

I do also agree that although Eddie is as much a integral part of the band and their history he would cause a lot of people to be put off as if you had never heard Iron Maiden before (shame on you if not) Eddie is what you would see and know as being part of the band as much as the actual music itself.

I was unfortunate to not see them last time they came and do not own any clothing as such but I did see them live at the Logan Campbell centre in Auckland (can't remember if that was late 80's or very early 90's) but what i do know is that to see them live is an experience in itself and would probably say they are my number 2 favourite concert of all time behind The Who and before you say it yes they are completely different but for me that's just the truth.

My favourite IM albums would easily be Number of The Beast (again for many that song alone would put them off giving IM a try) and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son I could easily listen to those two albums for weeks on end before changing to something else.

Back to the OP's comments I would take what you have written as a great argument to at least give them a try if i was into politics or history but to try to use religion (although what you have written is very interesting) you would really have a hard time convincing someone on that point and would likely find that any dedicated christian (or other religions) would easily believe that their music is anything other than positive when it comes to religion.

Of course you could try arguing that Number of the Beast is about the struggles of man against the raise and temptations of evil in our lives and how easily fear can play a huge part in the devils plan to destroy one's soul. Also Seventh Son of a Seventh Son could be seen in a similar light for those into religion in a big way.

Please note I am not trying to sstart a religous debate here as although I call myself a christian and believe in god i would say that I am far from being a good one. Don't go to church, hardly ever pray (mostly this would be meal times dependant on my dinner company hehe). So yeah I would think there would be a lot more argument trying to convince someone to listen to Iron Maiden using a religous approach.

Lastly I enjoyed reading the OP and never had thought about IM in the ways you have mentioned and I hope your friend is (or was) convinced by to you to at least give what is truly one of the greatest bands of all time (easily proven by their success and longevity which would be my biggest arguing points to convince someone to give them a try).

 
 
 
 


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# 399150 2-Nov-2010 15:11
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@Lurch - Iron Maiden formed in 1975.

@dclegg - not sure I'd agree HM is the modern equivalent of classical music, but when when when composition, arrangement and production are thought out to the high levels displayed by Iron Maiden it is very powerful.

Another great example of this is the three piece virtuoso group Rush.  Although the production on their studio albums can be a little lacking, the live albums (especially Rock in Rio) kick everything else off the planet.

Back on topic: @RedBull - Great post!  If wasn't already an Iron maiden fan I would certainly be interested in having a listen after what you've written :-)

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  # 399178 2-Nov-2010 15:45
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@dclegg - not sure I'd agree HM is the modern equivalent of classical music, but when when when composition, arrangement and production are thought out to the high levels displayed by Iron Maiden it is very powerful.


I guess it depends on what you consider Heavy Metal to be. This term covers such a broad spectrum of bands today, many of which would not fit that description :-)

The reason that I've held that view in the past is because of bands such as Iron Maiden, Metallica, Dream Theatre (among others) who often produce lengthy and musically complex songs, where the instruments are very much at the forefront.

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  # 400274 4-Nov-2010 16:46
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You should have taken him to the shows that they did over here last year!

Personally, Metallica is my all time favourite band (lost my voice for days after the Auckland show, they know how to get a crowd rocking!)
But Iron Maiden is a close second

I recently heard that Bruce doesn't like to use autopromtpers on stage as he "would rather f*%@k up a lyrc than read off one of those"
That shows true passion for the music, and fans!

Also, Bruce doesnt fall into the typical rocker category, he has his commercial pilots license!!!!

I don't think there is a t-shirt at home that isn't a Metallica, Iron Maiden, Alice Cooper, Slipknot, Slayer shirt! I can't see myself giving those shirts up for anything!


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  # 400275 4-Nov-2010 17:02
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jaymz:
Personally, Metallica is my all time favourite band (lost my voice for days after the Auckland show, they know how to get a crowd rocking!) 


Metallica were awesome (went to the gig on the 13th), but the Maiden concert last year was more epic for me (was hoarse for a week). Then again Maiden have long been my favourite band, as they ignited my passion for music back in '85 when I purchased Live after Death (one of the greatest live albums of all time). And no disrespect to James, but I think Bruce's voice has stood the test of time a little better than his has. It boggles the mind that he is the other side of 50!

Just in case you weren't aware, you can download the entire soundtrack for any Metallica concert from live.metallica.com. You can get the 13th from here and the 14th from here.

jaymz:
Also, Bruce doesnt fall into the typical rocker category, he has his commercial pilots license!!!!


He is also an accomplished fencer (the swordsman type, not the farmer type), and an avid trainspotter. Also attributes not normally found in your typical rocker.



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  # 400281 4-Nov-2010 17:11
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I went to see them last time they were here. One of the best concerts I've ever been to. They were on really on form.

Bruce is by far one of the best vocalists around. Being able to sing like he does so far into his career is fantastic.

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  # 400319 4-Nov-2010 19:24
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yeah, James' voice hasnt stood up to time as well as Bruce's. But I put that down to the lifestyle choices of each.

But to be honest, none of that really matters, they are both great rockers and I will follow them for life!

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  # 400328 4-Nov-2010 19:51
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jaymz: yeah, James' voice hasnt stood up to time as well as Bruce's. But I put that down to the lifestyle choices of each.

But to be honest, none of that really matters, they are both great rockers and I will follow them for life!


No arguments here. Metallica are one of my "Big Three"(along with Maiden and Megadeth), which are the bands that laid the foundation for my lifelong enjoyment of metal, and music in general (my tastes have diversified a LOT from the "if it ain't metal it ain't music" attitude of my teens).  

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  # 400402 4-Nov-2010 22:41
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You nailed it imo

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