Payment with services rendered? Not in NZ!

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#412234 2-Dec-2010 19:40

sleemanj:
lostangel:
Again with civil contracting ... It's a wet day so we can't work on your road, but our staff cannot be sent home, it might interupt their financial security, affect their mortgages .....

Huh? Do you think that road workers don't get paid if it's raining? Not likely sonny jim.

Completely likey actually, my last job was as a operator/driver/labourer - full time at a civil contracting company.

You seem so misguided about reality!

You must be one of the lucky 'sheltered' ones that don't ever take a loss, so why should a day care?

sleemanj

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#412237 2-Dec-2010 19:51

And as already has been noted, you can quite easily find an ECE center which will take you on a casual basis.

If you want a regular spot, pay for a regular spot.

If you don't, pay for a casual one.

It's your choice!

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lostangel

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Master Geek

#412241 2-Dec-2010 20:05

James. yes noted.

I can see why as a ece provider I would want this to be legislated as so. But as a worker where I must endure circumstances that cause me to lose money(weather, resource consent issues, etc) I don't 'like' how they can be legislated around such issues when the rest of us just have to handle it.

Which is why I started this, to hopefully encourage some debate about how this paticular business type is given a safety net for success.

nickd

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#412245 2-Dec-2010 20:11

lostangel: Certainly they need to pay their staff, but they were going to be there already!
And they could simply send one worker home if there were too many away, and not have to pay them.

Awesome. I don't know quite what to say to this.

lostangel

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#412246 2-Dec-2010 20:15

nickd:
lostangel: Certainly they need to pay their staff, but they were going to be there already!
And they could simply send one worker home if there were too many away, and not have to pay them.

Awesome. I don't know quite what to say to this.

Why not, happens in other industries ...
Has happened to myself, yet I still have to pay the fees when my boy wont be attending ... even though I'm out of pocket ...

Anyone starting to see any social injustice here?

I guess I am the only one frequenting here with a poor job :(

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#412248 2-Dec-2010 20:22

lostangel: Currently this is how it stands for most service based businesses:

1. Provide the service
2. Get paid for the service(the hours worked and associated costs)

But it seems this simple system of pay as you go is not shared by all NZ businesses.

For daycare/Early educators:

1. Enrol a child to attend
2. Get paid whether or not the child attends(so paid for doing nothing if the child isn't there)

Why?

A child cannot even be sick without the parent being charged, this is an abomination!

I see no valid reason as to why these daycare outfits should be exempt from the same rules as other businesses. Why should anyone ever be expected to hand over their cash for non-service?

I believe this may have been a rushed through law change a little while back when National took over from Labour and I can see no merit in it but to line the pocket of daycare owners with money they have not worked for.

What is everyone elses thoughts on this?

You pay for your phone line whether you make any calls or not. You pay line charges to your power company whether you use any power or not. If you have a cheap air fare and decide on the day you don't want to fly, they don't give you a refund.

Businesses with fixed costs definitely DO charge you whether you decide at shirt notice to not use their services. If they have kept a place for you or your child and you decide at short notice to not turn up, they probably will charge you anyway.

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#412259 2-Dec-2010 20:36

lostangel:

Completely likey actually, my last job was as a operator/driver/labourer - full time at a civil contracting company.

You must've had a cushy number because in all the years I did roading/subdivisions etc, we had 2 days off due to rain... the place was flooded. Otherwise there was always some work to be done, soaked to the skin or not.
Ask any competent digger operator and you'll get "It's not raining in my cab"

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sleemanj

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#412272 2-Dec-2010 21:32

blakamin:

You must've had a cushy number because in all the years I did roading/subdivisions etc, we had 2 days off

Two days? You had it easy. You want to try being self employed mate. Days off, I should be so lucky.

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#412273 2-Dec-2010 21:34

CYaBro

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#412296 2-Dec-2010 22:44

I can understand still being charged by the day care even if your child isn't there.
With the one my son goes to we have to give at least two weeks notice if he won't be there and not have to pay.

What really annoys me though is if one of the days that your child would normally be at day care falls on a public holiday and the day care isn't even open you still have to pay!
That is just wrong isn't it?? They can't provide the service yet I am still charged for it!

Opinions are my own and not the views of my employer.

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#412316 3-Dec-2010 00:25

sleemanj: And as already has been noted, you can quite easily find an ECE center which will take you on a casual basis.

If you want a regular spot, pay for a regular spot.

If you don't, pay for a casual one.

It's your choice!

Quoted for truth and justice.

sleemanj

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#412318 3-Dec-2010 00:28

CYaBro:
What really annoys me though is if one of the days that your child would normally be at day care falls on a public holiday and the day care isn't even open you still have to pay!

The staff are still paid for the public holiday, so either the business can increase everybody's fees sufficient to cover these, or you pay for that odd day, one way or the other you end up paying.

These terms were certainly agreed to when you enrolled and I'm sure there would be centers that amortize public holiday costs.

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lostangel

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Master Geek

#412329 3-Dec-2010 05:44

CYaBro: I can understand still being charged by the day care even if your child isn't there.
With the one my son goes to we have to give at least two weeks notice if he won't be there and not have to pay.

What really annoys me though is if one of the days that your child would normally be at day care falls on a public holiday and the day care isn't even open you still have to pay!
That is just wrong isn't it?? They can't provide the service yet I am still charged for it!

I think that is terribly wrong :(

The "we have to pay our staff" reason is 'NOT' why they do it either.
Other businesses do not do that.

Its simply because they can.

It simply amazes me that so many people on here don't seem to mind paying for nothing, even when they are so clearly not going to be provided any service.

riahon

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#412340 3-Dec-2010 07:04

I understand the logic and reasoning from the Day Centre's perspective, this is a user pay society afterall, and also yours for paying for a service you are not receiving is NOT fair - however there are alternatives. You can choose one as I have or keep paying. You could complain to the government and they could legislate it as I am sure it is an industry standard but somehow I don't see that happening.

My choice, family of 6 live on one income.

wellygary

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#412360 3-Dec-2010 08:56

lostangel:
geekiegeek: If you join a gym you dont get to claim back fees for days you dont turn up :-)

You cant claim back your Sky TV fees because you wernt watching that day.

Thanks for your input but these are pay to use as much as you like, and lose out if ya don't type subscriptions.

The daycares are pay for your hours(even if not there).
They also charge you if you are say early on drop-off/pickup by 1/2 and hour. That is they have the same amount of hours but you are chaged extra!

I've never come across something similar.

Try the rental car industry,

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