No longer possible to have phone and DSL with different providers?

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#1157646 18-Oct-2014 23:10

smarsden:

We currently have homeline with Spark, with two Spark mobiles attached on their open term OneBill plan, at only $19 per month per mobile.

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but then might also have to change to a different mobile plan with Spark. This will probably cost more since I think the price-point we're getting on mobile currently with Spark is only because our homeline is with them also.

You can just get the OneBill $19. You don't need to bundle it with anything else. (Although if you want to spend $19 a month with Spark, the prepay plan will give you better value.)

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#1157773 19-Oct-2014 11:11

hio77: Interesting.

so naked only providers are going to be hurt a little by this i guess..

I think the same thing is going to start happening here that has happened in e.g. Finland – people are staring to get rid of their landlines altogether when most people have smartphones and those plans offer increasingly good value with unlimited texting and generous minutes. I have about two contacts who still use a non-smartphone, and thus rely on landline. I Skype with my family & friends in Finland instead of calling (none of them have landlines anymore), I either text or private-message with my my friends in social media and use mobile talktime whenever necessary.

I haven't really though about until now – maybe it's time to start rethinking the whole landline thing and go naked. Thank you for the inspiration :)

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#1157828 19-Oct-2014 12:38

quentinreade: Hi guys,
The email probably oversimplifies the issue in an attempt to explain it.
The options for an ISP which provides a customer with a broadband only services are:
- try and get the customer onto a bundled product (this is what we are doing - and as you all know, bundles are (almost always) the cheapest way to go these days)
[...]
Cheers, Quentin

Seeing the "Cheapest DSL with no contract in Auckland?" in this forum reminded me of something:

What happens to a customer's contract if they their switch to this bundle as the email suggests?

Slingshot policy has, in the past, been to lump on a new contract for any sort of service change, and moving customers onto the bundles will involve at least one service change - possibly three (phone+tolls+DSL) if the customer is in an unbundled area.

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#1157883 19-Oct-2014 14:22

DarkShadow:
smarsden:

We currently have homeline with Spark, with two Spark mobiles attached on their open term OneBill plan, at only $19 per month per mobile.

...

but then might also have to change to a different mobile plan with Spark. This will probably cost more since I think the price-point we're getting on mobile currently with Spark is only because our homeline is with them also.

You can just get the OneBill $19. You don't need to bundle it with anything else. (Although if you want to spend $19 a month with Spark, the prepay plan will give you better value.)

$19 plan is identical prepaid and postpaid

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#1157918 19-Oct-2014 16:00

hio77: Interesting.

... – people are staring to get rid of their landlines altogether when most people have smartphones and those plans offer increasingly good value with unlimited texting and generous minutes....

I have been thinking for some time to move our second and last landline to VOIP.
The only thing holding back is the emergency call situation. As long as we do not have the location identification available for mobile emergency calls I'll stay put.
VOIP has been great for a number of years.

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#1157938 19-Oct-2014 16:28

smarsden:
We currently have homeline with Spark, with two Spark mobiles attached on their open term OneBill plan, at only $19 per month per mobile. Broadband being supplied by Slingshot.

From what I've started working out so far, it looks like in order for us to keep the Open Term flexibility we have with our mobiles, while also keeping our current Slingshot email address, we have to move our homeline to Slingshot, but then might also have to change to a different mobile plan with Spark. This will probably cost more since I think the price-point we're getting on mobile currently with Spark is only because our homeline is with them also.

I see that Slingshot offer Spark mobile too, but they seem to have limited plan options and they also require signing up to a 24 month contract (not what we want).

If we went other way, and moved everything over to Spark, we'd lose our Slingshot email address which we've had for 13 years...

It sounds like a good time to migrate your e-mail to a third party provider such as gmail, outlook.com, mail.com or similar.

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#1158142 19-Oct-2014 22:23

Or buy a domain name.

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#1158154 19-Oct-2014 23:26

johntynz:
DarkShadow:
smarsden:

We currently have homeline with Spark, with two Spark mobiles attached on their open term OneBill plan, at only $19 per month per mobile.

...

but then might also have to change to a different mobile plan with Spark. This will probably cost more since I think the price-point we're getting on mobile currently with Spark is only because our homeline is with them also.

You can just get the OneBill $19. You don't need to bundle it with anything else. (Although if you want to spend $19 a month with Spark, the prepay plan will give you better value.)

$19 plan is identical prepaid and postpaid

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#1158174 20-Oct-2014 07:44

Is this just a Slingshot thing or will all ISP's be affected? I ask because we have Telecom for landline and ICONZ for internet. I've not heard anything from ICONZ about this.

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#1158227 20-Oct-2014 09:27

kiwifidget: Is this just a Slingshot thing or will all ISP's be affected? I ask because we have Telecom for landline and ICONZ for internet. I've not heard anything from ICONZ about this.

It's an industry-wide change. We are just more on the ball than the others ;)

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#1158236 20-Oct-2014 09:34

Detruire:
quentinreade: Hi guys,
The email probably oversimplifies the issue in an attempt to explain it.
The options for an ISP which provides a customer with a broadband only services are:
- try and get the customer onto a bundled product (this is what we are doing - and as you all know, bundles are (almost always) the cheapest way to go these days)
[...]
Cheers, Quentin

Seeing the "Cheapest DSL with no contract in Auckland?" in this forum reminded me of something:

What happens to a customer's contract if they their switch to this bundle as the email suggests?

Slingshot policy has, in the past, been to lump on a new contract for any sort of service change, and moving customers onto the bundles will involve at least one service change - possibly three (phone+tolls+DSL) if the customer is in an unbundled area.

Hi there - these plan changes won't trigger a contract.
Cheers

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#1158319 20-Oct-2014 11:39

quentinreade:
kiwifidget: Is this just a Slingshot thing or will all ISP's be affected? I ask because we have Telecom for landline and ICONZ for internet. I've not heard anything from ICONZ about this.

It's an industry-wide change. We are just more on the ball than the others ;)

To the best of my knowledge, ICONZ dont offer a landline service, so will I be forced to change to Telecom or some other dual provider for ADSL?

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#1158336 20-Oct-2014 12:01

kiwifidget:
quentinreade:
kiwifidget: Is this just a Slingshot thing or will all ISP's be affected? I ask because we have Telecom for landline and ICONZ for internet. I've not heard anything from ICONZ about this.

It's an industry-wide change. We are just more on the ball than the others ;)

To the best of my knowledge, ICONZ dont offer a landline service, so will I be forced to change to Telecom or some other dual provider for ADSL?

I won't speak on ICONZ behalf, but ISPs that offer broadband only plans will be charged more for broadband from Dec 1, and will have to price up their plans or make a loss.

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#1158355 20-Oct-2014 12:08

quentinreade:
kiwifidget:
quentinreade:
kiwifidget: Is this just a Slingshot thing or will all ISP's be affected? I ask because we have Telecom for landline and ICONZ for internet. I've not heard anything from ICONZ about this.

It's an industry-wide change. We are just more on the ball than the others ;)

To the best of my knowledge, ICONZ dont offer a landline service, so will I be forced to change to Telecom or some other dual provider for ADSL?

I won't speak on ICONZ behalf, but ISPs that offer broadband only plans will be charged more for broadband from Dec 1, and will have to price up their plans or make a loss.

The Slingshot email from earlier in the thread says "Essentially, from December 1, you won’t be able to have your homeline with one provider, and your broadband with another."
YOU WONT BE ABLE TO. Is this part true? Or you will be able to, but you may have to pay a bit more?

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#1158367 20-Oct-2014 12:23

kiwifidget:
quentinreade:
kiwifidget:
quentinreade:
kiwifidget: Is this just a Slingshot thing or will all ISP's be affected? I ask because we have Telecom for landline and ICONZ for internet. I've not heard anything from ICONZ about this.

It's an industry-wide change. We are just more on the ball than the others ;)

To the best of my knowledge, ICONZ dont offer a landline service, so will I be forced to change to Telecom or some other dual provider for ADSL?

I won't speak on ICONZ behalf, but ISPs that offer broadband only plans will be charged more for broadband from Dec 1, and will have to price up their plans or make a loss.

The Slingshot email from earlier in the thread says "Essentially, from December 1, you won’t be able to have your homeline with one provider, and your broadband with another."
YOU WONT BE ABLE TO. Is this part true? Or you will be able to, but you may have to pay a bit more?

As per before:

In essence the POTS charges will now be moved and lumped in with the broadband rental charges.
So if you have a broadband only service, your supplier will probably be paying more for the rental than you are getting charged.
The email probably oversimplifies the issue in an attempt to explain it.
The options for an ISP which provides a customer with a broadband only services are:
- try and get the customer onto a bundled product (this is what we are doing - and as you all know, bundles are (almost always) the cheapest way to go these days)
- charge customers more for broadband only (not ideal for anyone)
- make a loss on the product (CFO not so keen on this)

So I expect any broadband only services (if you have a homeline elsewhere) to increase substantially - maybe even double.

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