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# 162093 28-Jan-2015 21:42
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Hi,

Its been in a long process to get UFB (shared driveway with 2 others, consent took a long time)

Any ways, this morning some guys turned up to install the fibre from the roadside to the house - they didn't advise how they were going to do it....asked if they needed my mobile (didnt) - then off I went to work

I live down an unsealed shared driveway of around 100M so was interested to see how they would do it

Seems like they have ran cables for all houses down the drive (makes sense)

I was however quite surprised when I came home:

View from top of drive this cable ends at end of fence on left - possibly to service the main house down our drive



Our cable pops up further down drive on right hand side, as runs along neighbours fence:



As you can see the fence is already leaning heavily:



It then seems to duck under driveway (some cable is left, presume for another house sometime in future) - altho are neighbours are really old, so fibre is possibly unlikely for them!



The cable then appears on the garden side of our lawn, and onto inside of our fence



Finally back under the concrete and left on the side of the house awaiting next step:



I was surprised to see so much surface mounted cables (particularly as we have majority unsealed driveway).

Is this a common install method?  

What if the neighbour, or myself wants to change there fence?  Who responsibility is the surface mounted wires?

I just kind of assumed the install would either be mostly underground, or at least hidden a bit better

I am wrong to be disappointed by how it looks?

Not only how it looks, but how damage proof are these (im not sure of correct term) so will just call them wires?


It appears a very short term method for whatr should be the future of internet in NZ

Heaven knows how the place will look if every install is surface mounted!

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  # 1224376 28-Jan-2015 21:45
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When I had mine installed, they went through the whole process with me first; where the cable will go, what needs to be dug up, where the ETP and ONT will go, etc. It's surprising that they've done all this without making you aware, but I guess that it depends on the individual installer.



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  # 1224379 28-Jan-2015 21:54
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Interesting Behodar

Our living room is actually and the opposite side of the house where the wire currently terminates 

That is where the ONT/ENT would need to be - in which case they could have easily buried the cable over the edge of my lawn id assume (as missed out at least 1 cut into concrete)

They actually caught me on the hop this morning as I was literally just leaving to go to work/drop baby at daycare

Otherwise I would have had question after question

Im not that happy with it - and I assume my neighbours wont be either

Im just curious if im being unreasonable/picky?

 
 
 
 


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  # 1224381 28-Jan-2015 22:04
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Being its a long unsealed driveway with multiple connections, I'd have thought that trenching would have been a fairly easy option.  How is your power connected?

Also I'm concerned about the radius of the bend in pic 4 where it comes through the fence railing.  Has that been done to spec?




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  # 1224383 28-Jan-2015 22:08
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We have no overhead cables at all - so both power and copper phone lines come from underground

Just noticed this on the Chorus website:

https://www.chorus.co.nz/file/57314/NDF-240-Ultra-Fast-Broadband-Installation-Consent-Form.pdf

I didnt sign anything like that today

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  # 1224393 28-Jan-2015 22:21
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Your existing copper connection would have been tested. Pulled and rodded to see if it is in 20mm pipe and moves freely. Obviously it did not so it was unable to be used to pull in the ribbonet for your fibre. This leaves 2 options. Trenching or what they have done today in your pictures. Trenching is expensive. Surface mounting by comparison isn't. It will be ruggedised fibre so pretty tough stuff.

This is how Chorus want these type of installs done now. How will it work down the line when fences need to be replaced? Who knows, time will tell I guess.

As someone else above mentioned you should have had a scope visit where this was all discussed with you.

Hope that helps.


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  # 1224399 28-Jan-2015 22:31
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The Chorus contractor (Transfield) have been in close communication with me to ensure I am happy with the plans of the install and raise any concerns etc before I do get it installed - I have to then sign my life away at the plans before they'll install (location of the ONT, location of the Fibre etc). I have not actually ever seen an installation this loose around Wellington yet and have been looking out for them so it appears Transfield do some pretty good installs around here when it comes to UFB.

Plan with mine involves using the existing copper conduct, install the ETP beside that and run fibre from the garage to the wiring closet in the house using that flexipipe stuff, is pretty simple really for both them and myself and ensures a tidy install looking from the outside. My last house involved them digging up concrete and putting it back the way they found it and you couldn't even see we had UFB installed.

I'd be very angry if a Chorus contractor installed UFB in this way with me and would never sign it off until it is trenched as it is an accident waiting to happen.




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  # 1224403 28-Jan-2015 22:36
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Downers are dropping the scoping visit.  I'm not sure if this process change has happened yet or not.

This just means the first site visit they need to agree the install method with you and then just do it.  It should be better in most places except ones like Wellington where they need permission from someone else for most installs (as they use the power poles)

 
 
 
 


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  # 1224405 28-Jan-2015 22:39
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what a joke

If you are going to do something, do it right the first time 

You will most likely have to pay when you want to fix the fence even though its 'their cable' 

Good to see our tax dollars at work here. 

These types of installations are just going to open a can of worms in the future. I guess

 I cant'e believe Amy Adams is happy for this to happen. 

I would be withdrawing my consent if I was in this situation. 



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  # 1224443 28-Jan-2015 23:56
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For us, as we had nothing but grass from the street to the house, they dug a shallow trench, 200mm I think, in the grass using a glorified chainsaw thing for soil not wood, laid the conduit and covered it over. Had a pleasant chat while they did it, 20 minute tops.

Would have thought they could have used that for at least your first two photos unless they were worried about cutting power or water, which I'd assume would be deeper anyway.




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  # 1224534 29-Jan-2015 08:41
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graemeh: Downers are dropping the scoping visit.  I'm not sure if this process change has happened yet or not.

This just means the first site visit they need to agree the install method with you and then just do it.  It should be better in most places except ones like Wellington where they need permission from someone else for most installs (as they use the power poles)




I disagree.

When you are making long term decisions about your property, drilling holes etc there should be time to think about the consequences of what is proposed.

Avoiding a site visit to scope things out will result in a poorer finish. There are enough people posting here poor installs to show this is a bad idea.

When I can get fibre, I will show where I want the cable to run in my property and if there is an extra charge so be it, but no one is going to turn up and dictate cable run location without a realistic discussion of options.
(in my case I will need to run conduits in the roof space to a central cupboard location and not place the ONT on the rooms facing the street which are all small bedrooms)



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  # 1224535 29-Jan-2015 08:47
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Are you in Auckland? All the rubbish installs I've seen on here have been in Auckland (Visionstream) IIRC. 

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  # 1224536 29-Jan-2015 08:47
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I would not let that stay there. Fences are replaced at regular intervals, it's very short sighted. I'd put in a complaint with a request to trench it.

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  # 1224537 29-Jan-2015 09:07
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afe66:
graemeh: Downers are dropping the scoping visit.  I'm not sure if this process change has happened yet or not.

This just means the first site visit they need to agree the install method with you and then just do it.  It should be better in most places except ones like Wellington where they need permission from someone else for most installs (as they use the power poles)




I disagree.

When you are making long term decisions about your property, drilling holes etc there should be time to think about the consequences of what is proposed.

Avoiding a site visit to scope things out will result in a poorer finish. There are enough people posting here poor installs to show this is a bad idea.

When I can get fibre, I will show where I want the cable to run in my property and if there is an extra charge so be it, but no one is going to turn up and dictate cable run location without a realistic discussion of options.
(in my case I will need to run conduits in the roof space to a central cupboard location and not place the ONT on the rooms facing the street which are all small bedrooms)



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I agree with what you are saying about thinking about the install but you don't really get this with the separate scoping visit.  The scoper comes and discusses options with you and then asks you to agree to a plan.  This shouldn't change with the new process and if anything should be better as the person you agree the install with is the installer so nothing is lost between the scoper and the installer.

You may need conduit in the roof space but a UFB installer can advise on that one.  In our install they used a combo cable that has copper and fibre.  Outside the cable goes in conduit but under the house it is just stapled in place in the same way an electrical cable can just be stapled inside.



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  # 1224545 29-Jan-2015 09:27
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lxsw20: Are you in Auckland? All the rubbish installs I've seen on here have been in Auckland (Visionstream) IIRC. 


I am indeed based in AKL - out West

Thing I dont get, is there is dirt almost right to my garden (then a driveway width of concrete)

Wonder why they didnt run it underground intitally to corner, through teh concrete and then under my garden lawn (basically a straight line right down driveway)

I also will never understand attaching it to a temp structure (fence)

What if the neighbour wants to get rid of there fence next week?  Who pays?  Where will the wire run then?

What if there was no fences initially - how would they have run it?

I also cant believe none of this was discussed with me!

Might give Orcon a ring today

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  # 1224547 29-Jan-2015 09:28
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What I find totally ironic with all these let's-use-the-nearest-fence installs, is that Chorus' very own website has this PDF document:

Urban service lead final 

Yet they resort to surface installs for new UFB connections all the time now. money-mouth




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