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  # 1290762 24-Apr-2015 12:36
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I'm not sure how much power an ONT uses but I'm guessing you could solve that with a $150 UPS. 

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richms: Perhaps it is time that a phone line was no longer an essential service? That was an idea from an era before cheap prepaid mobiles were a thing.

Chorus offer voice via ONT ports. If noone wants to resell it perhaps that shows what the market for that is like.

Anyone got the stats for how many houses buy a landline only now days? Must be pretty low other than rural people who can't get xDSL on their line.


yep,  even back in the 2013 census about 15% of households opted out of having a landline.  That number will be quite a bit higher now.

I don't think something should be regarded an essential service when so many people don't want or need it.




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  # 1291032 24-Apr-2015 18:29
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wasabi2k: there is a lot less infra required to run a copper phone line isn't there?

In a disaster would you be able to call 111 from a VoF service vs a copper service?


Haha have you seen a NEAX? Little bit more resource intensive than a soft-switch.

And yea you could still ring 111 from a VoIP service if the ONT had backup power and the provider is still running. But depending on the 'disaster' who is to say the ducting in the roads with fibre in it is still intact - copper is just as delicate in that respect.

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  # 1291033 24-Apr-2015 18:34
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richms: Perhaps it is time that a phone line was no longer an essential service? That was an idea from an era before cheap prepaid mobiles were a thing.

Chorus offer voice via ONT ports. If noone wants to resell it perhaps that shows what the market for that is like.

Anyone got the stats for how many houses buy a landline only now days? Must be pretty low other than rural people who can't get xDSL on their line.


yep,  even back in the 2013 census about 15% of households opted out of having a landline.  That number will be quite a bit higher now.

I don't think something should be regarded an essential service when so many people don't want or need it.


But how many have a landline and no internet? Not counting businesses or second lines that were got on for fax that people have not bothered removing would make it harder to get a real idea, but I think the demand for a fixed landline on its own is not something that people in areas with internet available to them would really go buying much.




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  # 1291034 24-Apr-2015 18:34
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Whenever this topic comes up, everyone leaps to claim mobile phones are a total replacement for landlines, usually when they live in a city with good coverage :P There are many areas of NZ which have unreliable/no mobile coverage and which will always need landlines to have a reliable form of communication. Sure, most areas that get fibre will also have mobile coverage, but it's not fair to assume everyone can simply use a mobile phone as a replacement in New Zealand.

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  # 1291040 24-Apr-2015 18:37
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Well those areas are probably not getting fiber so they can keep using their copper landline if they need it. If they do get fiber, then you can then see if they would be happy to just buy voice serivces or if they want internet because it would become available to them.




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  # 1291043 24-Apr-2015 18:47
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Haast comes to mind. No fibre, no cellphone coverage. It's dialup or satellite there for now, and probably always will be.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1291469 25-Apr-2015 19:28
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1 of the flatmates still has an ADSL and phone connection at my house. (Despite house having 200/200 fibre) Only reason why is he gets it free from his his employer. His boss is paying Chorus to hog a ISAM port for nothing. At least it will annoy the telemarketers.





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As per http://www.geekzone.co.nz/sbiddle/8734; with UBA as of last year the primary service delivered switched to Broadband.

Does anyone know if there are similar rules in place for the UFB network (i.e., can voice-only services be delivered)?

Stuff have been creating storms in teacups about this today, but I'm fairly sure they haven't done their homework (shock).

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Yes. But the problem is that no RSP is offering this service.


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  # 1295093 1-May-2015 15:23
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BigPipeNZ:
richms: Perhaps it is time that a phone line was no longer an essential service? That was an idea from an era before cheap prepaid mobiles were a thing.

Chorus offer voice via ONT ports. If noone wants to resell it perhaps that shows what the market for that is like.

Anyone got the stats for how many houses buy a landline only now days? Must be pretty low other than rural people who can't get xDSL on their line.


yep,  even back in the 2013 census about 15% of households opted out of having a landline.  That number will be quite a bit higher now.

I don't think something should be regarded an essential service when so many people don't want or need it.


Not essential until you need it wink




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lxsw20: I see it assumed a lot that the copper service would stay up in a disaster. Maybe I'm missing something but it's just as likely to fail as UFB isn't it?. You need power at the end point but other than that, how is it really any different. 

Fibre definitely relies on power, which does tend to go out during a disaster and obviously brings down the mobile chargers and broadband with it. A UPS will only last until the battery runs out, and you don't want it beeping for too long anyway. But photovoltaics that allow fibre to power a few small electronics should come eventually...




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  # 1298673 5-May-2015 21:58
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lxsw20: I see it assumed a lot that the copper service would stay up in a disaster. Maybe I'm missing something but it's just as likely to fail as UFB isn't it?. You need power at the end point but other than that, how is it really any different. 

Copper voice is run from the exchange so is generator backed up, where as UFB requires power at both ends.
If you have a UPS / Generator locally, then no reason it can't continue to work.




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  # 1298780 6-May-2015 07:44
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I see that Spark is recommending a Fuelcube for its voice over fibre product.

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