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# 70788 30-Oct-2010 23:07
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That is my Download and upload test i am 2km away from the exchange
i need faster upload speeds as i have to upload a 1gb file on to youtube.
im not to sure where the youtube severs are but im sure they are in the us.
youtube is apart of google. so if there is a google office in new zealand then that must be where im uploading too but im sure im uploading to some place in the us

So is there any way to make my upload speed abit faster???

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  # 397909 30-Oct-2010 23:25
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No, there is annex M that allows higher upload speeds but so far all NZ ISPs have refused to deploy it.

The large lopsidedness of the asymmetrical in ADSL is really becoming a problem for a lot of people, particularly now that there is a viable online backup service in NZ.

Hell, I am downloading tunes to my collection faster than it can backup.




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  # 397943 31-Oct-2010 02:35
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richms: No, there is annex M that allows higher upload speeds but so far all NZ ISPs have refused to deploy it.

The large lopsidedness of the asymmetrical in ADSL is really becoming a problem for a lot of people, particularly now that there is a viable online backup service in NZ.

Hell, I am downloading tunes to my collection faster than it can backup.

Ya i have a real problem with new zealand speeds i wish they were faster
i mean u know the apple tv is needs wifi (INTERNET) so will the google tv technology is changeing we dont live in the 19th century any more
they should of  started laying down fibre years ago

Oh well we just have to wait till 2019 for faster internet speeds and i am not rewireing my house for vdsl2
btw im not conected to a cabinet im on a exchange and that exchange doesnt get a vdsl2 upgrade ohh well looks like i be on adsl2 for 9 more years

 
 
 
 


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  # 398200 31-Oct-2010 20:22
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richms: No, there is annex M that allows higher upload speeds but so far all NZ ISPs have refused to deploy it.

The large lopsidedness of the asymmetrical in ADSL is really becoming a problem for a lot of people, particularly now that there is a viable online backup service in NZ.

Hell, I am downloading tunes to my collection faster than it can backup.


Well Chorus would have to allow annex M if a UCLL access seeker wanted to use it, due to potential for crosstalk with annex B on the higher frequency uplink channels. Telstra finally allowed it in Australia, but I think iinet had to demonstrate that it could be managed effectively. Some lines in NZ might not be up to annex M, so maybe just have to wait for fibre. Cool

Try compressing the video?




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  # 398202 31-Oct-2010 20:30
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how does annex M compare for VDSL for crosstalk problems?

1 gig would be compressed video, that is quite a bit tho, so the OP must have one of those fancy youtube accounts that allows more than 10 mins or whatever to be uploaded. 1080p is quite a space hungry thing (my first choice of word is apparantly bad)




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  # 398215 31-Oct-2010 20:42
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richms: how does annex M compare for VDSL for crosstalk problems?

1 gig would be compressed video, that is quite a bit tho, so the OP must have one of those fancy youtube accounts that allows more than 10 mins or whatever to be uploaded. 1080p is quite a space hungry thing (my first choice of word is apparantly bad)

Yyoutube lets 15mins video and yes its 1080p

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  # 400435 5-Nov-2010 01:19
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Look at SHDSL or UNS. Its up to 2mbit upload. But it heavily limits your download - to about 2mbits also.
I know one of our business customers that uses it for sending large video files.

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  # 400442 5-Nov-2010 02:24
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mikenzb:
richms: how does annex M compare for VDSL for crosstalk problems?

1 gig would be compressed video, that is quite a bit tho, so the OP must have one of those fancy youtube accounts that allows more than 10 mins or whatever to be uploaded. 1080p is quite a space hungry thing (my first choice of word is apparantly bad)

Yyoutube lets 15mins video and yes its 1080p


Just upload it overnight - that's what most people do, it doesn't "have" to be done in a instant. Yes there is SHDSL if you want to pay a arm or a leg, or Telstra Clear cable, but ADSL in NZ offers ~1mbit up MAX and it's not like you will achieve this anyway.

Here, I will do the maths for you, You will get approx. 90kb/sec max which is 5.4mb per minute or 324mb per hour.
If this video was 1080p at 1gb it will take you about 3hrs, 15mins to upload BUT since most people really don't care about 1080p on Youtube just upload it as 720p, it reduces the size quite a bit and it's still High Definition after all. 

Do you know the gear required to get fibre to work? Do you know that the media converters cost approx. ~$500 each AT LEAST? Fibre is VERY expensive, you look at other countries around the world, they are the same as us, don't expect fibre anytime soon and most importantly if we did have fibre the southern cross link + most ISP's wouldn't buy enough traffic for everyone anyway.

I guess what I am getting across to you, Bandwidth is expensive, more expensive than you think, fibre is expensive too, you gonna pay the bill? :P 




 
 
 
 




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  # 400444 5-Nov-2010 02:35
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michaelmurfy:
mikenzb:
richms: how does annex M compare for VDSL for crosstalk problems?

1 gig would be compressed video, that is quite a bit tho, so the OP must have one of those fancy youtube accounts that allows more than 10 mins or whatever to be uploaded. 1080p is quite a space hungry thing (my first choice of word is apparantly bad)

Yyoutube lets 15mins video and yes its 1080p


Just upload it overnight - that's what most people do, it doesn't "have" to be done in a instant. Yes there is SHDSL if you want to pay a arm or a leg, or Telstra Clear cable, but ADSL in NZ offers ~1mbit up MAX and it's not like you will achieve this anyway.

Here, I will do the maths for you, You will get approx. 90kb/sec max which is 5.4mb per minute or 324mb per hour.
If this video was 1080p at 1gb it will take you about 3hrs, 15mins to upload BUT since most people really don't care about 1080p on Youtube just upload it as 720p, it reduces the size quite a bit and it's still High Definition after all. 

Do you know the gear required to get fibre to work? Do you know that the media converters cost approx. ~$500 each AT LEAST? Fibre is VERY expensive, you look at other countries around the world, they are the same as us, don't expect fibre anytime soon and most importantly if we did have fibre the southern cross link + most ISP's wouldn't buy enough traffic for everyone anyway.

I guess what I am getting across to you, Bandwidth is expensive, more expensive than you think, fibre is expensive too, you gonna pay the bill? :P 

Ya I ya the bill for a plane ticket to go to south korea
Dont they got firbe there or something???
I wonder How much they pay for there firbe in south korea
Still i bet it must be alot



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  # 400445 5-Nov-2010 02:40
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michaelmurfy:
mikenzb:
richms: how does annex M compare for VDSL for crosstalk problems?

1 gig would be compressed video, that is quite a bit tho, so the OP must have one of those fancy youtube accounts that allows more than 10 mins or whatever to be uploaded. 1080p is quite a space hungry thing (my first choice of word is apparantly bad)

Yyoutube lets 15mins video and yes its 1080p


Just upload it overnight - that's what most people do, it doesn't "have" to be done in a instant. Yes there is SHDSL if you want to pay a arm or a leg, or Telstra Clear cable, but ADSL in NZ offers ~1mbit up MAX and it's not like you will achieve this anyway.

Here, I will do the maths for you, You will get approx. 90kb/sec max which is 5.4mb per minute or 324mb per hour.
If this video was 1080p at 1gb it will take you about 3hrs, 15mins to upload BUT since most people really don't care about 1080p on Youtube just upload it as 720p, it reduces the size quite a bit and it's still High Definition after all. 

Do you know the gear required to get fibre to work? Do you know that the media converters cost approx. ~$500 each AT LEAST? Fibre is VERY expensive, you look at other countries around the world, they are the same as us, don't expect fibre anytime soon and most importantly if we did have fibre the southern cross link + most ISP's wouldn't buy enough traffic for everyone anyway.

I guess what I am getting across to you, Bandwidth is expensive, more expensive than you think, fibre is expensive too, you gonna pay the bill? :P 

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  # 400446 5-Nov-2010 03:06
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mikenzb: 
Oh New Zealand Will be conneted to The La-Auckland-Sydeny By 2013 Via.Pacifc-Fibre


But do you really think ISP's are going to buy a crapload of bandwidth on this only so people can have insane speeds (while the rest of it sits around unused?) - Most ISP's purchase what they need and that's it, international bandwidth will still be insanely expensive even with this provider.

I can see Fibre to the Door failing due to the costs associated in this, plus there will be never enough bandwidth for everyone.

If content was hosted in NZ it will be a heap better, do a test to the US vs a test in NZ and you will see what I mean - a test in NZ is a good indication of your line speed whilst a test overseas shows your providers international connectivity.




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  # 400526 5-Nov-2010 10:17
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michaelmurfy: But do you really think ISP's are going to buy a crapload of bandwidth on this only so people can have insane speeds (while the rest of it sits around unused?) - Most ISP's purchase what they need and that's it, international bandwidth will still be insanely expensive even with this provider. 


The pricing of international will come down when/if this goes live, it already has purely due to speculation of competition. ISP's will always buy what they need as thats the only commercially sensible way to operate, the justification for the  amount required is not only based on cost, but user experience and peak load. If users complain things are slow, then they leave, revenue goes down, so if enough people complain you have to do something. 

ISP's and networking in general are becoming more focused on the user experience than the raw bandwidth available. This is a good thing as it means we end up with the Content Delivery Networks being closer to us, these networks are the primary user of bandwidth usage globally. Akamai alone delivers over 30% of internet content (based on data volume). Two years ago the number 1 bandwidth hog for international was torrents, now its YouTube, that says something about how things have changed. 

michaelmurfy: I can see Fibre to the Door failing due to the costs associated in this, plus there will be never enough bandwidth for everyone.


IMO the only way FTTH can work is through government initiatives, commercially it just doesn't make sense yet so someone has to put money in without expecting a return in the short term. 

michaelmurfy: If content was hosted in NZ it will be a heap better, do a test to the US vs a test in NZ and you will see what I mean - a test in NZ is a good indication of your line speed whilst a test overseas shows your providers international connectivity.


This is the only part of your post I do agree with. 

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  # 400763 5-Nov-2010 13:47
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wjw:

The pricing of international will come down when/if this goes live, it already has purely due to speculation of competition. ISP's will always buy what they need as thats the only commercially sensible way to operate, the justification for the  amount required is not only based on cost, but user experience and peak load. If users complain things are slow, then they leave, revenue goes down, so if enough people complain you have to do something. 


Slingshot clearly prove that theory is totally flawed when it comes to getting more bandwidth, all they do is screw with the limiting box to pass the limited amount they have around to make some happy and some less happy.

wjw:

ISP's and networking in general are becoming more focused on the user experience than the raw bandwidth available. This is a good thing as it means we end up with the Content Delivery Networks being closer to us, these networks are the primary user of bandwidth usage globally. Akamai alone delivers over 30% of internet content (based on data volume). Two years ago the number 1 bandwidth hog for international was torrents, now its YouTube, that says something about how things have changed. 


Yes, ISPs have choked torrents to be so slow they have fallen to the number 2 place, and will keep dropping as youtube (which is not international typically) starts to have more and more 1080 content at several megabits, which are speeds that are unobtainable on torrents because of the limiting crap that ISPs do. If there was no limiting, torrents would still be number one. Also the way torrents work means that local pairs are given priority, which is kinda forced by the limiting in place, so that keeps it local and national mainly, not international.






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richms: Slingshot clearly prove that theory is totally flawed when it comes to getting more bandwidth, all they do is screw with the limiting box to pass the limited amount they have around to make some happy and some less happy. 


It's not flawed its just that these unhappy customers aren't causing an issue for their bottom line. 

richms:  youtube (which is not international typically)


Unless your ISP has a local Google CDN Node or a YouTube caching box it is international.  There are only 4 Google CDN nodes that I can think of in NZ, and the ones with the major players will send the data down the international pipe you buy off them.

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  # 400902 5-Nov-2010 18:07
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slingshot have a youtube cache, others do as well, only the first play is international, and if you reload the page a few times so it comes off the cache its a lot faster.




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  # 400989 5-Nov-2010 22:21
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richms: slingshot have a youtube cache, others do as well, only the first play is international, and if you reload the page a few times so it comes off the cache its a lot faster.


Having done some work with trying to cache YouTube you'll find performance from an actual Gooogle/YouTube node is better. But your right they do have a caching box. 

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