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  #540593 3-Nov-2011 09:26
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mattbush: If itunes wasnt such a ripoff and reduced the cost dramatically of all music, then p2p services would almost become extinct. When you compare the cost of a physical CD and understand the costs of manufacture, distribution, middlemen, royalties etcetc the cost of a digital download is just a ripoff.


I’d be very interested to see your analysis on why iTunes is so much of a cheaper distribution mechanism than CD stores.   

Not saying I disagree but would be good to qunatify just how much money the rights holders are saving by selling via itunes rather than bricks and mortar. 

 
 
 

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tdgeek: Cost should be the artists margin and music company margin, so they are no worse off, the reduced costs will be those physical costs you just mentioned.


Surely you are aware of distribution costs in a digital age? Servers, bandwidth, content delivery networks, systems administration, support, etc.
 




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According to Stuff (so it must be true) - TelstraClear customers are cannon fodder for the infringements because they have fixed IP addresses.  I know that all IP addresses are logged at the ISP so they know always who has which IP at any given moment - but is this suggestion founded?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/5898211/Piracy-war-may-hit-easy-shots




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  #540599 3-Nov-2011 09:40
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freitasm:
tdgeek: Cost should be the artists margin and music company margin, so they are no worse off, the reduced costs will be those physical costs you just mentioned.


Surely you are aware of distribution costs in a digital age? Servers, bandwidth, content delivery networks, systems administration, support, etc.
 


No, I am not aware as like most people. If manufacturing physical CD, creating packaging for it, packaging it,  then packaging into cartons, then sending by seafreight around the world to warehouses is a lower cost, I stand corrected 

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  #540600 3-Nov-2011 09:43
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I am not saying it is a lower cost. I am saying even digital distribution has a cost, for those people complaining about iTunes prices.

But hey, anyone is entitled to want things for free.
 




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  #540601 3-Nov-2011 09:46
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I see. I'm not expecting things for free.

But it would be nice to be told that there is more to it than I first thought, and not be talked down to.

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StarBlazer: According to Stuff (so it must be true) - TelstraClear customers are cannon fodder for the infringements because they have fixed IP addresses.  I know that all IP addresses are logged at the ISP so they know always who has which IP at any given moment - but is this suggestion founded?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/5898211/Piracy-war-may-hit-easy-shots


I can't see how the right's holders would just pick on Telstraclear customers because of fixed IP's.  

It does not matter if you have a fixed/static ip or a dynamic one.  The ISP can still know who was using which Dynamic IP at the time of the infringing.
 




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  #540603 3-Nov-2011 09:47
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tdgeek: But it would be nice to be told that there is more to it than I first thought, and not be talked down to.


Are you saying that you seriously did not consider the costs of distributing electronic bits to millions of users around the world?




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  #540605 3-Nov-2011 09:50
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freitasm:
tdgeek: But it would be nice to be told that there is more to it than I first thought, and not be talked down to.


Are you saying that you seriously did not consider the costs of distributing electronic bits to millions of users around the world?


i did consider the transmission costs but i did not expect them to be anywhere near the physical costs. But clearly, everyone on here knows those costs in detail, apart from me, it seems.

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kiwipearls:
StarBlazer: According to Stuff (so it must be true) - TelstraClear customers are cannon fodder for the infringements because they have fixed IP addresses.  I know that all IP addresses are logged at the ISP so they know always who has which IP at any given moment - but is this suggestion founded?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/5898211/Piracy-war-may-hit-easy-shots


I can't see how the right's holders would just pick on Telstraclear customers because of fixed IP's.  

It does not matter if you have a fixed/static ip or a dynamic one.  The ISP can still know who was using which Dynamic IP at the time of the infringing.
 


That’s true, but if therights holders know that Telstraclear customers have fixed IP addresses, then it makes it easier for them to target the same person at appropriate times to ensure they get through three strikes at the cheapest cost to them.

i.e. send a notice about IP addresss X,  then wait until you see the same IP address again at the right time (i.e. once the cooldown period has expired) and send a new notice.  Repeat again and you have gotten 3 strikes for only $75 ($25 per notice)

Where ISPs do not have fixed IP addresses, the right holders would not know if an IP address belongs to the same person who had it before or a different one.  They would need to spam hundreds if not thousands of notices to random IP addresses at that ISP before they would get a three strikes on the same person, and that would cost them a hell of a lot of money.

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  #540608 3-Nov-2011 09:52
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tdgeek:
freitasm:
tdgeek: But it would be nice to be told that there is more to it than I first thought, and not be talked down to.


Are you saying that you seriously did not consider the costs of distributing electronic bits to millions of users around the world?


i did consider the transmission costs but i did not expect them to be anywhere near the physical costs. But clearly, everyone on here knows those costs in detail, apart from me, it seems.


No, it shouldn't be (but again who knows) as much as the actual packaging and transport costs. But it wasn't listed in your previous post "Cost should be the artists margin and music company margin, so they are no worse off, the reduced costs will be those physical costs you just mentioned." 

It should not be ignored, however low it is.
 




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  #540609 3-Nov-2011 09:53
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Again, be nice to be informed in a constructive and informative manner. We all like to participate to add value to other users here, or to learn. Thus, I have learnt something. The manner in which, not so much.

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kiwipearls:
StarBlazer: According to Stuff (so it must be true) - TelstraClear customers are cannon fodder for the infringements because they have fixed IP addresses.  I know that all IP addresses are logged at the ISP so they know always who has which IP at any given moment - but is this suggestion founded?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/5898211/Piracy-war-may-hit-easy-shots


I can't see how the right's holders would just pick on Telstraclear customers because of fixed IP's.  

It does not matter if you have a fixed/static ip or a dynamic one.  The ISP can still know who was using which Dynamic IP at the time of the infringing.
 


The point of the article is that rights holders may concentrate on issuing to IP address that they have already sent to.  For those on a static IP the target doesn't move compared to those on dynamic IP.

Did I read on here that Telecom are starting to use static as well?




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  #540612 3-Nov-2011 09:55
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freitasm: No, it shouldn't be (but again who knows) as much as the actual packaging and transport costs. But it wasn't listed in your previous post "Cost should be the artists margin and music company margin, so they are no worse off, the reduced costs will be those physical costs you just mentioned." 

It should not be ignored, however low it is.
 


Very fair point, point taken.

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  #540622 3-Nov-2011 10:24
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Thats why I got rid of my static IP on the DSL connection. Plus the reverse made it obvious whose it was too..




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