I just wonder what the resale value of 13th/14th gen CPU's will be a bit further down the track.

jrdobbs:

 

I just wonder what the resale value of 13th/14th gen CPU's will be a bit further down the track.

 

Scott3:

 

If they can do a software fix to stop further damage (likely meaning a small performance hit), and they replace identify and replace every chip which has already been damaged to a point impacting normal operation, then life will continue as normal.

 

As the announcement says it only applies to 'some', surely there should be a recall on those affected ones  and a straight swap. In NZ products sold must be free of defects. I do have a 14700 but have it water cooled and haven't been running it hard at all so hopefully it isn't one of the affected ones and it hasn't been damaged by this.

Scott3:

 

If the current mess continues, then prudent used buyers will be blacklisting the impacted CPU's (just like how anything prior to 8th gen intel gets blacklisted now due to windows 11 not supporting them, and windows 10 going out of support period next year...

A lot is riding on the 15th gen launch for Intel. 

 

Hopefully us Linux users will get some good deals with pre 8th gen machines in this scenario.

Yes. Intel's future now depends on getting the next gen CPU's 100% right. I'd consider investing in some Intel shares at this low price point, hoping for a rebound in the next year or two.

jrdobbs:

 

Hopefully us Linux users will get some good deals with pre 8th gen machines in this scenario.

 

Yes. Intel's future now depends on getting the next gen CPU's 100% right. I'd consider investing in some Intel shares at this low price point, hoping for a rebound in the next year or two.

 

I think you are over estimating the impact to Intels reputation over this. This is a Geek Community, far more aware of issues like that. The vast majority of users will never know this is even a thing, so their future hardly depends on it. 

Intel have done some truly shocking things over the years. A manufacturing issue isn't even in the top 20! Their response has been far from impressive, but hardly surprising for those of us who have been using Intel processors since 286's :) 

networkn:

 

I think you are over estimating the impact to Intels reputation over this. This is a Geek Community, far more aware of issues like that. The vast majority of users will never know this is even a thing, so their future hardly depends on it. 

 

Intel have done some truly shocking things over the years. A manufacturing issue isn't even in the top 20! Their response has been far from impressive, but hardly surprising for those of us who have been using Intel processors since 286's :) 

 

Maybe I am over estimating it. It is probably one of those companies that cannot die and will be propped up by the American tax payer no doubt. Intels market share is being chewed away by AMD for sure. It's not the end geek/non-geek consumer who's opinions will count but it's the big companies and data centers that will decide the fate of Intel over the coming years.

Oh, it's no surprise for me either - been an Intel user since the IBM PC 8088 days back in the early 80's. Those were the days, Winchesters, 8" and 5.25" floppy disks...

Qazzy03: I think the bigger impact on intel will be if severs/business world turn more to AMD.
Assuming what GN has been reporting is correct. There are a lot of vendors and big server businesses that are pretty unhappy with how Intel are handling this. One thing to screw over customers, another when it is vendors and businesses.

Saw the following quote in feedback on a recent article the other day,

we're looking into a half million dollar upgrade project to a server room at one of our locations with the company i work with, we can't see any reason to go with intel at this time for that project. they're not even remotely competitive right now. I can get an epyc server chip from AMD with x2 the cores at the same power draw and higher clocks (and significantly more processing power per core).

Assuming this project goes well the rest of the company will be following suit.

jrdobbs:

 

I just wonder what the resale value of 13th/14th gen CPU's will be a bit further down the track.

 

None, as there is no way to tell how stuffed they are from when they were running the older microcode. Too hard to worry about production dates and versions and stuff like that, easier to just bypass those whole generations.

15 will come out, have its meager benifit over 14th, and that will be when its worth considering intel again.

Glad I went with a Ryzen 7800x3d this time around :)

richms:

 

 

 

None, as there is no way to tell how stuffed they are from when they were running the older microcode. Too hard to worry about production dates and versions and stuff like that, easier to just bypass those whole generations.

 

15 will come out, have its meager benifit over 14th, and that will be when its worth considering intel again.

 

That is why I wonder if they might need to do a recall and replacement of the chips for those affected in NZ. Then the new ones shouldn't be affected by that stigma if they have some form of authentication that they were changed and not affected by this. I wonder how many people will contact their retailer (for those that built their own PC) to get the chip switched, after the motherboard gets its patch in August. The 14700 was an expensive chip. 

Is there any possible way to know if you have already damaged your processor? I have 14700K that I bought around November last year, but I don't really run it super hard? I so play some games, but not any of the really hardcore ones. I have an Asus MoBo and not doing any overclock settings other than running XMPII profiles....everything else is just set to default.

You'd have to run some benchmarks and tests, and monitor voltages and temperatures to be sure, but strong chance it's happening and you don't know it.  Mine has been impacted, and I don't use that PC for much other than gaming.  I certainly knew something was wrong as I faced the "out of memory" issue when launching games many times, which isn't a memory issue at all it turned out, it's part of the CPU issue and DX can only spit a memory error about it.

gehenna:

 

You'd have to run some benchmarks and tests, and monitor voltages and temperatures to be sure, but strong chance it's happening and you don't know it.  Mine has been impacted, and I don't use that PC for much other than gaming.  I certainly knew something was wrong as I faced the "out of memory" issue when launching games many times, which isn't a memory issue at all it turned out, it's part of the CPU issue and DX can only spit a memory error about it.

 

so I tried to get it to spike over 1.5v and couldn't seem to make it happen? I use 3DMark and their tests that are meant to push the CPU and watched it via HwInfo and couldn't see it go out of range?