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# 116427 29-Apr-2013 09:14
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Hey all,

We've recently moved in to a new place, and I'm looking to set up a tidy LAN, unlike the mess we have had in the past! I'm planning to run everything back to a hallway closet.

Initially I'm going to run 2x Cat 5e and 2x RG6 to one of the three bedrooms (which I'm using as more of an office), and 4x Cat5e + 2x RG6 to the lounge, with scope to run to additional rooms as required (though these two have priority).

I have underfloor access so yesterday I cut some holes in the wall and drilled up from below, and have done one cable run so far. I'm using PDL plates at the wall. So the endpoints are coming along ok, my questions are more around what to do back at the closet.

My understanding is that there is a minimum spec of kit that should be provided for UFB, such as an appropriately sized enclosure, power, UPS etc. While we do not have UFB available right now, I would like to think that when the time comes, UFB related gear (ONT, Router) could slot right in alongside the existing gear in the closet.

The closet is essentially a linen cupboard, and it does have a bit of shelving that needs to stay in place. What I do have is a 600mm W x 1000mm H x 600mm D space at the base of the closet, where I'm hoping to put everything. I do have an alternative location at the very top of the closet, in it's own seperate cupboard (though this is not as tall), but this will generally mean longer runs, and having to drill several holes through the shelving. I know that in the TCF guidelines they recommend about eye level, but I do not really have that option here.

I was thinking about installing one of the 28 inch Dynamix cabinets (http://dynamix.co.nz/index.html?do=viewproduct&code=HWS-2803V&ID=16477979), mounted on the rear wall of the closet. I would then fit that with one of the 12 port mini patch panels, existing 8 port switch, and ADSL router (I will need to do some work to get the phone line to the closet, but more on that later).

Does this sound like a reasonable approach? Does anyone have any alternative suggestions?

One question I do have about the Dynamix cabinet is where the cables are fed in to it. I have the cable runs coming up through the floor at the back bottom right of the closet, so just trying to wrap my head around where they need to go.

Happy to hear your thoughts!

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  # 807142 29-Apr-2013 10:35
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I've been looking into UFB future proofing too.

Lots of good info here http://www.chorus.co.nz/wiring-for-fibre


Will be interested to see what other people think

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  # 807334 29-Apr-2013 13:35
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I'm interested in migrating away from my mess of long fly leads to a nice patch panel equilivent, and the change to UFB is probably a good time to do it.  I'd also be very interested in anyone's experience with the dynamics enclosures, or any similar/competing enclosures.

Looking at the pictures on the Dynamix website it looks like the enclosures have a hole for trunking cable out of in the centre bottom, and the top left. 

One Additional thought CapB:  Make sure in your planning that your cupboard you are planning to have as the center of your network isn't too far from the edge of your house where the fibre is coming it.  Too far and you will be getting an extra charge from the installer. (I guess that's OK if you factor it in during the design, but it would be a bitch if you got stung with it after you had all the cable down)  http://nztelco.com/?p=531

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  # 807645 29-Apr-2013 19:45
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Dynamix is a great option for the home enviroment. Nice and cheap and works just fine. It is always nice to have a cabinet at eye level but most of the time that is a bit tricky.

That link you have posted doesn't work but I have never ever heard of a 28" cabinet. Unless it is the flush kind. A standard rack is 19" and then you just look for the right amount of RU's to suit. At my place I have a little 6RU open frame cabinet in a cupboard (i purpose built) to house all my kit. I choose a 19" rack as then I could use normal 24-port patch panels and use a 24-port switch. I built a cupboard as I have my VMWare box, UPS, stereo, sky decoder etc. all packed in.
I recently did my parents place and the requirements were much less. Simply just somewhere to put the router, ATA, small switch and PoE injector. I used a 6RU 10" cabinet with small 12-port panels. Looks really really nice and fits everything they need in there no problem.

For wall outlets I always use PDL gear with PDL RJ45 modules or Dynamix. They just look so so much better than any cheap wall plate available.

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  # 807705 29-Apr-2013 21:23
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I think what CapB was referring to wasn't one of the standard racks like you would use in a server room. Try the "Structured Cabling" link near the bottom of the products list. (on a cellphone so too lazy to get a link sorted).

They seem to be more or less a house alarm box with mounts for modular cat5/6 or Coax. The idea being to mount some small routers/switches flat to the wall in it.




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  # 807722 29-Apr-2013 22:04
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Cheers for the responses so far.

Thanks qyiet for the suggestion. The cupboard is unfortunately quite near the back of the house so not really ideal, though it is near an external wall. I guess I'll just have to eat the cost if push comes to shove, as none of the front facing locations are really that suited. We do also have quite a bit of space in the laundry as it is reasonably large, although I'm not so sure about locating all of the gear in that environment (and it is also at the rear of the house), which leaves me back at the cupboard.

We've decided we may move the shelving down so that the enclosure can be located at the recommended height, I have left plenty of cable slack to allow that as an option still, so might bite the bullet and do it that way.

Thanks chevrolux, good stuff to know. Sorry not sure what happened to the link in the original post (they seem to have some funny stuff going on in their links), but give http://dynamix.co.nz/productimages/pdfs/scs63.pdf a go. qyiet explained it pretty well.

I'm not sure what chorus make of using a small 19" rack vs the enclosure specifications they list (more like the dynamix one I've linked). I'm pretty tempted to just run with the dynamix one at this stage as it is fairly compact and should house everything I need in there.

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  # 807746 29-Apr-2013 22:34
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I've used dynamix for my structured cabling. I've got the 18" version of the cabinet in the attic space with splitters for cable/sat and Freeview as well as a Telco module. Works well.

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  # 807932 30-Apr-2013 11:41
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I'm not sure what chorus make of using a small 19" rack vs the enclosure specifications they list (more like the dynamix one I've linked). I'm pretty tempted to just run with the dynamix one at this stage as it is fairly compact and should house everything I need in there.


Chorus don't care what kind of enclosure you have. I just personally don't like those flush cabinets as I like to tinker a lot.
If you just want to set up the network and be done with it the flush cabinets are a good option. There are lots of modules made to go in them to suit each application and they hide everything away.
Hopefully Cyril chips in soon as he knows a thing or two about these cabinets and their modules....

 
 
 
 




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  # 821707 18-May-2013 19:23
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Hey guys,

Just following up on how this all went for anyone interested. I did grab the Dynamix panel in the end, and threw it in the cupboard as originally planned. You can see the 'almost complete' job below (apologies for the bad quality):

Dynamix Cabinet

Still got a few things to do, such as grabbing a few more patch leads (a few short, plus some are a bit less than ideal, see switch uplink from the ADSL router for example), and getting a proper power outlet installed (I'll need a sparky to do this).

Note that yes, the wireless on the ADSL router is disabled (due to being in a metal box). I have instead set up a UniFi AP in the hall. I hadn't used these before but had heard a lot of great things about them, and I have to say it was extremely easy to get up and running, awesome gear.

For the most part I'm pretty happy with how it all went, and really happy to have all the work under the floor done [!]. Commenting on the Dynamix panel in particular, I was initially quite keen on the modular aspect of it, although after buying their 12 port patch panel that did not fit this layout, plus all my other gear needing mounting in there, I dont think I used a single screw hole in it in the end, except for tie-downs. This is one of the advantages to the Signet boxes that have a regular grid of holes for all manner of equipment. Other than that though it's a nice little unit, and hides away nicely in the back of the cupboard :)

Cheers!

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  # 821715 18-May-2013 19:42
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Nice tidy job. That's what I should have done in mine. A cat 5e patch panel. I've just got loose wires at the moment which I patch wherever.. Can always tidy that up later I guess. That cabinet looks the next size up from my one.

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  # 821716 18-May-2013 19:42
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Nice tidy job. That's what I should have done in mine. A cat 5e patch panel. I've just got loose wires at the moment which I patch wherever.. Can always tidy that up later I guess. That cabinet looks the next size up from my one.

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  # 821873 19-May-2013 11:37
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If you decide to use the top cupboard then you may be able to cut a notch out in the corner of any removable shelves instead of drilling through them. Since your cupboard is 600mm deep you may not need to mount everything on the back wall if its not going to be a storage cupboard but of course the cabinet keeps everything tidy.

The Signet cabinets do look better and I think some of them have space to run cables behind the equipment. Also the entry holes through the floor should allow you to put things like fibre and power into flexi, so holes should be much bigger than you would need just for the Cat5e. Don't run cables over other equipment, especially the coax cables, so plan where to mount things based on pathways for cables to get to them. I saw Signet stuff at Corys but you may have to order in the size you need.

Can I suggest that you run a cable to to the telecom entry point as well as the rooms? Even if the UFB fibre goes all the way to your cupboard, this gives you a nice tidy link that replaces existing phone wiring while you wait for UFB so that ADSL splitter can go in your cabinet.




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  # 822325 20-May-2013 11:34
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Thanks for the responses. Would definitely recommend a patch panel ZollyMonsta, the initial setup is a bit more tedious but very easy afterwards!

Cheers for your suggestions webwat. I've opted for the bottom of the cupboard in the end, it has worked out ok. The Dynamix cabinet does have knockouts for cable entry, though I have only used the one at this stage. I actually read somewhere that running TV distribution 'over' the other gear was ok, just to steer clear of power (which I haven't entirely done here though it is working ok.. I plan to re-jig things a bit once fibre comes along).

I could not actually find any ETP, I have overhead phone wiring which had already been worked on by the previous owner, who had pulled out the master jackpoint and simply had two '2-wire' jack points in the house. I've since cut all that out and replaced it with runs of Cat6/RJ45 back to my central point. The incoming phone wiring is now going directly to the master splitter.

Having overhead phone wiring currently, I am unsure where the fibre entry point would likely be (I am unsure whether we will get underground cabling or not at this stage, most of the work locally has been underground though I have heard about some overhead work being done). With that in mind I'm hoping to just tackle that issue when it comes up. I have about 200m of Cat6 left so shouldn't be a problem!

Cheers

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  # 822360 20-May-2013 12:18
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If Chorus is your local fibre provider they will go on the pole and come overhead. If however, you go with Telecom they will need to retain the copper on the pole for your phone line so the fibre will need to be trenched in. I would probably opt for Telecom just for that reason as installs are free at the moment and it just seems flat out dumb to put a flash new network overhead - plenty of people disagree though.



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  # 822368 20-May-2013 12:32
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chevrolux: If Chorus is your local fibre provider they will go on the pole and come overhead. If however, you go with Telecom they will need to retain the copper on the pole for your phone line so the fibre will need to be trenched in. I would probably opt for Telecom just for that reason as installs are free at the moment and it just seems flat out dumb to put a flash new network overhead - plenty of people disagree though.


I didn't think we had a say in the matter? Chorus have the local roll-out contract here, I was of the understanding that they would just come along and roll it out across the entire street however they saw fit?

Or are you saying that despite laying the main fibre underground, they may opt to then deploy to my house via overhead? Yeah, gotta agree with you there, not a fan of that!

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  # 823854 22-May-2013 23:00
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Very tidy CapBBeard. Here's what I did. Easy if you have good crawl space and a wooden floor:
http://blog.rhysgoodwin.com/home-diy/structured-cable-at-home/
http://blog.rhysgoodwin.com/home-diy/structured-cable-at-home-f-patch-panel/




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