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#196226 23-May-2016 19:49
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Hi.

 

I live out in Gebbies Valley... We have good old DSL and its somewhat flaky if you are lucky to get it.

 

So some of us have started talking and we have come up with a idea about community ISP.
Key point here... the local exchange has fiber to it.. i think installed but don't know.
RBI is not available here and may never be..
50% of the houses have less than 1.5MB and a lot of people work from home around here.
we are about 20 minutes outside christchurch and the area is being cut up more and more but the old exchange and copper is getting overloaded.

 

So what we are thinking is: WiFi from local exchange to repeater site.. then out to houses.
we have about 50 houses and about 30 of them are keen to join in and put up cash.

So my question is has anyone here done this?
is there anything i should think about?
How do i go about talking to the right person at Chorus about this?
Is there a better way.. something we may have missed? (don't say sat dish)..

 

I have done a lot of WiFi long range links before and will be getting Go WiFi down here to design the system.

 

Feed back needed.. 

 

Cost wise we are thinking 50K+ at this point (round numbers and depending on the fiber link).


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  #1558183 23-May-2016 19:52
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How are you going to get address space? Who will your upstream be? Are you fully aware of your IPAP requirements and registration for this for the GCSB?

 

 




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#1558188 23-May-2016 19:59
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sbiddle:

 

How are you going to get address space? Who will your upstream be? Are you fully aware of your IPAP requirements and registration for this for the GCSB?

 

 

 

 

Still working all that crap out :/ 
I don't know much about the IPAP stuff.

 

To be honest i was hoping to get a larger ISP to handle that end of it all.

 

i had forgotten about the up stream.. 

 

Thanks for the feedback.





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  #1558193 23-May-2016 20:03
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We're involved in a number of projects like this right now, community wifi is the only way to go for a number of smaller settlements. Some of our projects are sitting in limbo as the community wants to wait and see what comes of RBI2, other communities just want to get on and do something.

Where are you in relation to the DSL cabinets on this map (or have I completely mucked up and got the wrong location!) ?



Our first preference is to feed community wifi from a school where possible - significantly lower installation & monthly costs and we can tap into newer NGA kit for faster speeds (200/200).

Where that's not possible, we can order a 100Mbps fibre service delivered off a card in the DSL cabinet. Install cost of getting fibre into a non building access point (known in the industry as an NBAP) located next to the DSL cabinet are around $5k.

Feel free to PM for further details.



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  #1558208 23-May-2016 20:23
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myfullflavour: We're involved in a number of projects like this right now, community wifi is the only way to go for a number of smaller settlements. Some of our projects are sitting in limbo as the community wants to wait and see what comes of RBI2, other communities just want to get on and do something.

Where are you in relation to the DSL cabinets on this map (or have I completely mucked up and got the wrong location!) ?



Our first preference is to feed community wifi from a school where possible - significantly lower installation & monthly costs and we can tap into newer NGA kit for faster speeds (200/200).

Where that's not possible, we can order a 100Mbps fibre service delivered off a card in the DSL cabinet. Install cost of getting fibre into a non building access point (known in the industry as an NBAP) located next to the DSL cabinet are around $5k.

Feel free to PM for further details.

 

 

 

I'm about where the "K" is in Akaroa.
Our copper comes down the blue line then back up the road...

 

That cabinet does not have fiber as i understand it and apparently is maxed out..
The main exchange is about it as i understand it.





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  #1558270 23-May-2016 21:34
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That's right, MOT/G on the right doesn't appear to have fibre.

The exchange does so 100Mbps service available from there, potentially higher speed services as well (at significant cost).

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  #1558383 24-May-2016 08:07
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You need to talk to one of the existing Canterbury wireless ISPs like Amuri Net or Ultimate Broadband. You may already have been given their names by Go wireless, if so I suggest you leverage off their local knowledge. If there's that many customers interested then it should be a viable proposition depending on topography of your area. By that I mean how many customers can be reached from the smallest number of repeaters. 

 

 




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  #1558390 24-May-2016 08:30
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this may sound odd, but i would like to put it in as a community and have stable speed with no data caps or good data caps.
I will make some calls to them today and see what they have going and if they would be keen.





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  #1558419 24-May-2016 08:58
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CADMAX:

 

this may sound odd, but i would like to put it in as a community and have stable speed with no data caps or good data caps.
I will make some calls to them today and see what they have going and if they would be keen.

 

 

 

 

The best way to be involved as a community is for landowners to make it easy for a wireless ISP to establish repeaters on hilltops or structures with coverage. There isn't an awful lot of value you can add to an ISP's operations otherwise. All the compliance and technical obstacles that an ISP has to deal with apply equally to a community group network. You may find the service offered by any ISP, if they also have to consider a community group as a partner,  is actually more expensive than their usual retail offerings as the ISP definitely needs to be in it for the money and the community group presumably needs funds as well. 

 

The other way to help is to appoint someone to liase between the locals and the ISP- a single point of contact. Pass onto your community group that companies like Amuri, Ultimatebroadband and the like are that good at what they do they have actually totally wrecked the uptake of RBI1 when considered against what was spent on that project. 


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  #1558773 24-May-2016 15:59
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gwh:

 

The best way to be involved as a community is for landowners to make it easy for a wireless ISP to establish repeaters on hilltops or structures with coverage. There isn't an awful lot of value you can add to an ISP's operations otherwise. All the compliance and technical obstacles that an ISP has to deal with apply equally to a community group network.

 

 

I agree.

 

I also think this sucks.  I am angry about the obstacles our current government has put in the way of community networks.  It doesn't need to be this hard.

 

Once upon a time, people would donate their labour and resources to building a community hall.

 

Now we're told "raise some money (or get a grant) to give to a company who will do the job and take care of the compliance issues."

 

Yes, there are security and reliability risks with running a community network.  Yes, people will stuff it up.  Does that mean they can't even try?


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  #1561387 28-May-2016 19:42
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Talk to Mike at Ultimate Wireless.

 

I imagine he would be very keen to help out.

 

What you need

 

 - Community Champion

 

 - Identify helpful landowners and hilltop sites with good line of sight to households wanting service

 

 - List of people that want to connect

 

Community ISPs dont work anymore. People loose interest if they are doing it for beer and meat. I have seen quite a few try and fail after one or two years. They need to have a paid employee and its often just cheaper to have a local ISP own and run the system.

 

If you simply ask Mike what his current expansion plan and budget is, and if he can fit you in then it should be easily done. If he needs funding to get you up the expansion queue then you can often work out a deal where the community pre-pays for service for one or two years and get a good return on it. In turn, the ISP will maintain the transmitters, replace batteries, provide support etc all at their normal retail rates.

 

 

 

 





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  #1561401 28-May-2016 19:51
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OP

We do have plans for this area or at least near by and due diligence is under way as we establish expansion options.

PM me and I can make contact and establish what we can possibly do.





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