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Topic # 71289 8-Nov-2010 11:50
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Hi there

Some of you know of my dilemmas with my networking here at home already, hehe.

This one Im hoping is easy :)

When idiot technicians were here they changed the RJ45 port behind my TV to be phone only.  I want to change it back to data port (or data AND phone).

I purchased a media player a while back and the wireless adapter keeps pinging out and its a drama to reconnect so I would prefer to have it wired.

I have opened up the cover of the point on wall (taken off cover).  There is one blue wire and one white wire punched in.  Can I do this myself without a punching tool?  more to the point....can I do this myself AT ALL??

Thanks xxx

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  Reply # 401619 8-Nov-2010 12:00
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You won't be able to have data there unless the cable is at least CAT5 and runs back to a central hub/cabinet, where you can patch in phone & data etc.

Scratch that, just read your other posts.
You should be able to do it with a couple of splitters if the RJ45 is punched down correctly, ie not just the blue pair.



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  Reply # 401622 8-Nov-2010 12:04
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Yep, the ability to have data WAS there, he just changed the wires. The other wires I have available that I can see are:

orange/white
green/white
brown/white

Picture: http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p112/Toby3_photo/wiring.jpg

Ive just read that the side of a credit-card can punchdown tools sufficiently.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 401651 8-Nov-2010 13:02
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If you only have the one Cat5 cable to that outlet you can do either:

a) Data Only, hook up all 8 wires normally (ie: each color to the correct pin) to one RJ45 port, this will be capable of Gigabit

OR

b) Data + Voice on a single Cat5 (really bad practice).

Outlet end:
4 wires for data, will only be 100Mbit capable, wire to one RJ45 port
2 wires for voice + the 2 unused spare wires to the 2nd RJ45 port for tidyness and if you later want to switch to data you only need to change the patch end.

Note: You also need to split the wires at the other end too, 4 wires to data, 2 (2 unused) to voice

However that outlet looks like it just has one RJ45?





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  Reply # 401658 8-Nov-2010 13:05
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ok, I just rigged up the wires to look exactly like the ones in another room.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p112/Toby3_photo/wiring2.jpg

That didnt work :( Im testing it with my laptop wired to the port. Maybe its something set up at the hub end?

Ragnor - Yep, that socket just has the one RJ45.

Might have to call on BigHammer again :(

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  Reply # 401659 8-Nov-2010 13:08
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It's probably only got 2 wires connected at the patch panel end of the cable, need to fix it there too. All 8 wires to a data port or punchdown in the patch panel. 

What does the other end look like ie: patch panel?

From the photo of that outlet, it doesn't look like the sparkie has followed the colour coding on the keystone/port?

Normally the color coding matches with TIA/EIA 568A or 568B standard so it's easy to wire the other end the same.

Anyway this image might help you decipher which standard is in use and how to wire it up properly





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  Reply # 401675 8-Nov-2010 13:43
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Not sure what first line is, it only has blue/white connected.  Then Msterbedroom, then Downstairs, then Kitchen.  I have taken the phone out of the lounge socket (where my dilemma is) and put it in the kitchen, it still works so of course phone is still connected there (no data port in kitchen).  Im 99% sure that Downstairs refers to our downstairs bedroom which is wired up but not used.  We could take the wires out of that Downstairs column to put in the "lounge" column, BUT there IS no "lounge" column (could be first column maybe?)





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  Reply # 401697 8-Nov-2010 14:43
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Is there an RS-002 or way telephone block/module where all the blue wires are going?

Can you take a shot of the whole panel?



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  Reply # 401748 8-Nov-2010 16:49
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Wow that's pretty bad/messy.

If the lounge was voice before and you want to change it to data then the cable will probably be one of the cables going to the top voice block currently.

Figure out which one it is (process of elimination I guess) then remove it from the voice block and connect it to the next spare port on the data block (looks like 5th across).

The other ports on the data block look like they are following 568B wiring standard (from diagram I posted earlier) so just do the same as the other data ports.

However also connect the blue & blue-white wires too (blue-white to the 1st pin numbered 5 and blue to the 2nd pin numbered 4) because you need all 8 wires (4 pairs) if you want Gigabit lan to that outlet.


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  Reply # 401750 8-Nov-2010 16:58
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ShellNZ:




I think your Tiara is upside down?  If you move that, all will work! 




I have moved across the ditch.  Now residing in Melbourne as a VOIP/Video Technical Trainer/Engineer. 

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  Reply # 401771 8-Nov-2010 17:22
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Thats a shocking mess, but I just rememberd Shelly we have been here before.

I think back then I mentioned that its a nasty idea to wire sockets for two services, its better to wire the line from patch panel to TO as a full 4pair setup, then use line splitters to seperate out the services should you want to put both down the cable. This way there is no issue with moving to GigE in future and the cabling stays in place so no special tools are needed, it also clearly identifies what has happened.

http://www.cablesdirect.co.nz/catalog/entry?entry=334

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And yes your tiara is upside down, and slipped.

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  Reply # 401789 8-Nov-2010 17:56
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Those splitters look good.

Cyril, approximately how much does a ST2206 phone patch cost?

I'd be thinking re-wire all the Cat5 cables to the data hub properly (all 8 wires from each cable)

Then put those splitters in the ports for the couple cables sharing data/voice (looks like only 2-3 sharing?)

Then replace the RS-002 with ST2206 so any RJ45 outlet can be patched to be a phone outlet as needed otherwise can be used a data.




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  Reply # 401790 8-Nov-2010 18:01
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Hi, normal trade is around $50 then there is the filter which he already has. And yes I agree, all connections fully wired (as it always should have been), proper phone patch unit (ie ST2206) and proper plug in line splitters as I linked above.

As room in that cabinet is so small and he only has 8 connections all up then the ST2208 (another one of mine) which is designed for apartments might be the go, this has 8port cat5e patch panel and voice panel all in one, only thing it does not do is a security loop but a couple of scotch locs and your done, not too sure of the $ for the ST2208

http://www.sigtech.co.nz/uploads/72000/files/SIGNET_ST2208_Installation_Instructions__A4_.pdf

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  Reply # 401791 8-Nov-2010 18:04
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Yeah I saw that on the Sigtech site, it's hard to tell from the photo's but Shell: are there 9 Cat5 cables or 8 (don't count the phone line coming in)?

I guess Shell doesn't really want to spend any $$$ on this mess when it should have been done right from the start though.

What a nightmare.



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  Reply # 401942 9-Nov-2010 08:49
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Alrighty, there appear to be 11 blue cat5e cables.

3 are leading from behind casing to datahub
7 are from behind casing to phone hub
1 is sorta going nowhere

P.S Tried to reposition the tiara, unfortunately it didnt appear to have any effect, hehe

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