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Master Geek


  #1575137 16-Jun-2016 16:20
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The Standard has a different sensor to the others, and nothing unscrewable.

As I'm shortsighted I'm really only good for about 30m!

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Master Geek


  #1575461 17-Jun-2016 07:58
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vroom: The Standard has a different sensor to the others, and nothing unscrewable.

As I'm shortsighted I'm really only good for about 30m!

 

 

 

You are right the Standard has a different lens barrel without the removable UV filter. This is another good reason to get the Advanced/Pro as ND filters are crucial for getting a good video out of the Phantom.


 
 
 
 


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Master Geek


  #1576600 19-Jun-2016 16:17
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Hi,

 

I'm also looking at Noel Leeming.  The 4k is $1199 and the standard is $959 at the moment with 30 months interest free.

 

I believe the live view on the 4k is a lower res 480p and the standard is 720p.  I'm not sure why they would do this or if you would even notice on a smartphone.

 

How do you find the live view on the 4k?

 

I would also prefer to use my iPad opposed to my iPhone 5 but it sounds like you cannot mount the iPad on the standard remote.

 

What do you use on your 4k remote and would an iPad fit?

 

Cheers

 

 

 

flynkiwi:

 

I got the Phantom 3 4k at the Noel Lemming Queens Birthday sale. It was only a couple hundred more than the standard and with 12 months interest free decided a couple more hundred for 4k and better remote with slightly further distance 1.2km was worth it. Unfortunately I couldn't justify the extra $400 on top of the 4k for the advanced.

 

I think most flying will be all within this distance anyway.

 

Took a few videos and some still pics and so will be working through to see how I can improve these. Smoother movements with the video etc.

 

This is my first drone and found it was easy to fly and I went from 'I hope I don't crash it' to 'this is great fun' by the end of the flight. Just need more flights to build up my confidence. Wasn't able to get out last weekend due to the weather.

 

 

 


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Ultimate Geek


  #1576611 19-Jun-2016 16:45
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There is a drone coming from Xiaomi which looks well interesting - especially from a spec/bang for buck point of view.

 

Quality and support will be key and only time will tell in that regard:

 

 

 

https://www.engadget.com/2016/05/25/xiaomi-mi-drone/

 

http://www.cnet.com/products/xiaomi-mi-drone/

 

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/gadget/xiaomi-mi-drone-release-date-price-specs-features-launch-live-stream-3640806/

 

 




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Master Geek


  #1577067 20-Jun-2016 12:36
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nbroad:

 

Hi,

 

I'm also looking at Noel Leeming.  The 4k is $1199 and the standard is $959 at the moment with 30 months interest free.

 

I believe the live view on the 4k is a lower res 480p and the standard is 720p.  I'm not sure why they would do this or if you would even notice on a smartphone.

 

How do you find the live view on the 4k?

 

I would also prefer to use my iPad opposed to my iPhone 5 but it sounds like you cannot mount the iPad on the standard remote.

 

What do you use on your 4k remote and would an iPad fit?

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

The 480p realtime on the screen works perfectly fine for seeing what you are shooting for video or photos. To be honest I don't think you would notice much difference if it was 720p compared to 480p. You may notice using a bigger ipad screen. I mainly look at the drone rather than the screen while flying and use the screen to frame up a pic or video.

 

The Phantom 4k has the same remote as the Pro and Advanced so you can mount your ipad with the stock holder. That is another reason that I went with the 4k. I haven't yet flown with the ipad as I have to workout how to download the map for where I will be flying in advance as my ipad is wifi only and not 3G. I have read its possible as the ipad still has GPS even though its just wifi. I currently use my Samsung S4 which seems to be ok but a bigger screen would be better.

 

Had my second flight over the weekend and got a bit more adventurous in taking it to about 35 meters high. Just taking baby steps in building up my confidence.

 

 


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Master Geek


  #1577853 21-Jun-2016 19:15
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After looking at the standard and the 4k I decided that if I did buy one, I would probably go with the advanced for the integrated lightbridge and the 5 km range compared to 1 - 1.2 km on the standard and the 4k.  I also wanted the newer remote that holds the iPad.

 

but.... then I started reading about the rules and regulations and that has all but put me off completely.  I know these rules have been introduced for a reason but far out!!!!  I'm not even allowed to fly it in my own backyard without air traffic control clearance as I'm right on the edge of the 4km exclusion zone of the local airport.  No flying at night, no flying out of line of sight, no flying above your neighbours house without permission.  There are some local parks on the other side of town where you are allowed to fly within the park up to 400 ft but I'm sure I would get sick of taking videos of the same park over and over pretty quickly.

 

In saying all that, I have seen one hovering around my neighbourhood at night, so I'm wondering if some people are blissfully unaware that there are rules, or if some people just choose to ignore them.

 

I'm now thinking that much that I'd love to have a go with one, it might be a rather large waste of $1599.

 

Your thoughts?


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Master Geek


  #1578036 21-Jun-2016 23:12
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An uncontrolled airport? You can fly shielded so within 100m of the tops of trees, power poles etc. And you can fly further/higher (under 120m) but you have to notify the airport. It's really not a big deal. And if it's a controlled airport you can book it through airshare.co.nz and get permission. However you are meant to maintain sight of it at all times so you aren't supposed to fly too far. 


 
 
 
 


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Uber Geek


  #1578046 22-Jun-2016 00:04
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nbroad:

 

After looking at the standard and the 4k I decided that if I did buy one, I would probably go with the advanced for the integrated lightbridge and the 5 km range compared to 1 - 1.2 km on the standard and the 4k.  I also wanted the newer remote that holds the iPad.

 

but.... then I started reading about the rules and regulations and that has all but put me off completely.  I know these rules have been introduced for a reason but far out!!!!  I'm not even allowed to fly it in my own backyard without air traffic control clearance as I'm right on the edge of the 4km exclusion zone of the local airport.  No flying at night, no flying out of line of sight, no flying above your neighbours house without permission.  There are some local parks on the other side of town where you are allowed to fly within the park up to 400 ft but I'm sure I would get sick of taking videos of the same park over and over pretty quickly.

 

In saying all that, I have seen one hovering around my neighbourhood at night, so I'm wondering if some people are blissfully unaware that there are rules, or if some people just choose to ignore them.

 

I'm now thinking that much that I'd love to have a go with one, it might be a rather large waste of $1599.

 

Your thoughts?

 

 

 

 

Yeah, NZ rules seem to be the worst in the world. Infact I am surprised they are allowed to sell them to consumers based on the rules. I was looking at buying one of these, but fell that it isn't worth the hassle, because the odds are just flying it will breach one of the rules. You just need a complaint from someone that it is over their property, and you can get in trouble. Even in the USA they appear to  let them fly them at night. The thing is that tourists are bringing them into NZ and flying them to capture their holiday, and breaking the rules, but they will never catch up with them, and I doubt they are even aware of NZs rules either. You just need to look at teh vids on yourtube, or tourist using them to get some great shots of NZ. But ironically NZers can't get those same shots, because we would be breaking the law for some of the area they have been used in. I suspect many real estate agents who use them may not be within teh rules, because some appear to be taken from public roads etc.


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Master Geek


  #1578069 22-Jun-2016 07:47
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Actually NZ regs are pretty good. US have got new regs coming in for commercial https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=20515. Our biggest problem is the privacy stuff which isn't CAA regulated. IMO it's a bit silly to make you get permission from every competitor to fly over a sports event (where you probably can't even identify the competitors) but you could stand at the sideline with a camera and photograph every single entrant if you wanted at will. And IMO you shouldn't need to get property holders permission to fly over a certain height as long as you don't hover - planes, microlights, hot air balloons don't need to. Hopefully they'll review those. And popular opinion seems to hold that aviation regs will ease as GPS systems improve. In all honesty soon there's going to be so many of them they won't have a hope of regulating them anyway.


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Uber Geek


  #1579969 25-Jun-2016 10:06
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mattwnz:

 

nbroad:

 

After looking at the standard and the 4k I decided that if I did buy one, I would probably go with the advanced for the integrated lightbridge and the 5 km range compared to 1 - 1.2 km on the standard and the 4k.  I also wanted the newer remote that holds the iPad.

 

but.... then I started reading about the rules and regulations and that has all but put me off completely.  I know these rules have been introduced for a reason but far out!!!!  I'm not even allowed to fly it in my own backyard without air traffic control clearance as I'm right on the edge of the 4km exclusion zone of the local airport.  No flying at night, no flying out of line of sight, no flying above your neighbours house without permission.  There are some local parks on the other side of town where you are allowed to fly within the park up to 400 ft but I'm sure I would get sick of taking videos of the same park over and over pretty quickly.

 

In saying all that, I have seen one hovering around my neighbourhood at night, so I'm wondering if some people are blissfully unaware that there are rules, or if some people just choose to ignore them.

 

I'm now thinking that much that I'd love to have a go with one, it might be a rather large waste of $1599.

 

Your thoughts?

 

 

 

 

Yeah, NZ rules seem to be the worst in the world. Infact I am surprised they are allowed to sell them to consumers based on the rules. I was looking at buying one of these, but fell that it isn't worth the hassle, because the odds are just flying it will breach one of the rules. You just need a complaint from someone that it is over their property, and you can get in trouble. Even in the USA they appear to  let them fly them at night. The thing is that tourists are bringing them into NZ and flying them to capture their holiday, and breaking the rules, but they will never catch up with them, and I doubt they are even aware of NZs rules either. You just need to look at teh vids on yourtube, or tourist using them to get some great shots of NZ. But ironically NZers can't get those same shots, because we would be breaking the law for some of the area they have been used in. I suspect many real estate agents who use them may not be within teh rules, because some appear to be taken from public roads etc.

 

 

I recently looked into buying a drone and perhaps the major drawback for me is the rule that you must be able to see the drone with your own eyes, eg, not through binoculars, a monitor, or smartphone (or use an observer to do this in certain cases).

 

A while ago, a friend gave me a demonstration of his drone flying over water, and I lost sight of the drone within a couple of minutes. But he continued to fly it for another 10 minutes or so and got some fantastic video. The drone was perfectly under control at all times and you could see from the monitor exactly where it was, but it certainly wasn't visible against the blue sky (to me anyway)!

 

I know the rules are there to protect the public, but if you follow NZ's drone rules don't you think you are incredibly limited in what you can do?

 

How far can you realistically fly a drone before you lose sight of it? What's wrong with using binoculars to track it, or have a friend do this? In what circumstances can you have an observer helping with keeping the drone in sight?

 

Fred

 

 


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Master Geek


  #1581090 27-Jun-2016 13:57
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Against all better judgement I have just been into Noel Leeming and ordered a Phantom 3 Advanced for $1599 on 60 months interest free.

 

I felt I really needed one just for the cool geeky technology factor.

 

If it's a flop and I feel too restricted by the rules then there's always Trademe.  They look like they sell quite well on there!.

 

N.


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Master Geek


  #1581109 27-Jun-2016 14:14
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You'll love it! I presume you know about airshare.co.nz that's a pretty good place to start with learning the regs. It's really pretty easy - you can fly a shielded operation anywhere (within 100m sideways and not above the level of treetops, pylons, buildings etc). Maximum altitude outside shielded operation is 120m and you're meant to maintain line of sight or use a spotter. As others have said line of sight is pretty hard to maintain but be sensible and you should be OK. Uncontrolled airport zones (which are on the airshare site) you need to notify to fly unshielded. Controlled airport zones you need permission from air traffic control for all unshielded flights and you can do that on Airshare. https://www.airshare.co.nz/quick-reference

 

 


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Master Geek


  #1586451 5-Jul-2016 14:08
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Update:  

 

I ended up cancelling my order with Noel Leeming as their supplier had no stock of the Phantom 3 Advanced and the next shipment was weeks away - couldn't wait that long for a new toy!

 

In the end I found one in stock at Playtech and ordered that - $100 less than Noel Leeming and free overnight shipping.  I ordered that and it arrived on my desk the next day.

 

So far I have flown it at the school and in my backyard.  I have done a lot of reading on the new rules and regulations and although they are quite confusing and conflicting in places to start with, I think I have a good handle on them now.

 

I am in within the Palmerston North control zone so as long as I fly in a shielded operation, which is below the level of a high object that is within 100 m then I'm not required to get air traffic control clearance.  There are a few parks on the edge of Palmerston North which are outside the control zone so I am then allowed to fly up to 400 ft in altitude.

 

So far it has been awesome.  So stable and easy to fly.  You can pretty much let go of the controls and it will just sit there rock solid... which is what I expected but it's just way more advanced than what I am used to flying!  (I also own a Walkera V450D03).  The Lightbridge HD live view on the iPad is also amazing!!  I've taken a couple of videos at 1080p 60 FPS and they came out great, even though it was quite a dull day.  The camera stabilisation has been flawless so far.  The day I flew it was a little windy and the drone itself was wobbling around a bit holding its position but you don't notice a thing on the resulting video.. super stable and sharp!

 

Next steps are to get out of town to a park where I have a bit of room to move and practice, practice, practice!!!

 

Cheers


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Ultimate Geek


  #1587721 7-Jul-2016 15:57
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All these rules make me glad I'm soon moving rurally. Probably the same rules but less people to complain!  Is the Mi Drone generally available now? Or just through china/banggood etc?


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