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  #2189862 2-Mar-2019 15:10
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JayADee: Are you guys using PCs or NVRs?

 

Nope - I have SD cards in each of my cameras instead. Have played with NVR's before but its more pain than worth!


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  #2190057 2-Mar-2019 21:39
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I've just installed a couple of POE Amcrest Cameras from Amazon. Not 100 per cent sure of the details, but there are some references online to Amcrest being rebadged Dahua/using Dahua components. I was originally aiming for Dahua via ebay/AliX but had seen enough warnings (mostly from here) about some suppliers being of questionable legitimacy and my luck is horrendous for buying AliX electronics and actually having them work as expected.

 

Amcrest popped up on Geekzone as being recommended so decided to go that way.

 

FWIW, I bought a couple of Amcrest ProHD Outdoor 4-Megapixel PoE Dome Cameras model IP4M-1028E, and an Amcrest PoE NVR model NV2104E-HS 4CH.

 

The cameras are great. Image quality, including night vision, is very impressive. Software/firmware is pretty good; some terminology was a little unintuitive but I got there in the end. Cameras are well built and solid and I'm satisfied are robust enough even for our coastal house. About my only complaint was that the cord is both quite short and comes pre-wired with the jacks. With my particular installation, I ended up having to put a junction box close to the camera that I could put the connections in (though this wouldn't be a problem if you - for example - had better access under your eaves than I do).

 

Adding in the NVR however is another story. I needed the additional POE ports and decided that an NVR was a convenient place to deal with everything. But that hasn't proven to be the case. I bought a smaller 4 port one since I only had two cameras but that seems to have been a bit of a mistake, as the firmware is older than the cameras and lacks some of the functionality and options that the camera has. I found it to be quite a pain to set up, needing to configure some things from the browser interface and others from the desktop software.

 

I got it all going eventually, but if I had my time again I would do away with the NVR and just get a cheap POE switch dedicated to the cameras, and record data either to an SD card or a NAS (both supported). Amcrest's cloud offering and app seems to be quite good, which I guess has taken their focus away from the other options so that would be another option I considered. You can still manage everything from the Amcrest desktop PC software without the NVR.

 

I wouldn't go with a full blown PC monitoring set up though. There's no way I'd be able to keep a PC running 24/7 for the monitoring etc. without breaking something at some point. The Amcrest cameras do seem smart enough from the on-device software to take care of all the motion detection, recording etc.


 
 
 
 




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  #2190134 3-Mar-2019 09:33
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Jiriteach:

JayADee: Are you guys using PCs or NVRs?


Nope - I have SD cards in each of my cameras instead. Have played with NVR's before but its more pain than worth!



What capacity are your SD cards?
Oh I see 128G on the specs. Does it record over itself automatically and how much recording does that hold? I assume it's recording when motion detection goes off?

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  #2190299 3-Mar-2019 15:18
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Have a look at Reolink from Aliexpress. They are good quality and have been around for quite a while. I have 9 set up outside of various models. Have been using well over a year with no problems and very happy. I have found them to be far better resolution than others. All except 2 are POE. I don't bother with NVR and just rely on email upon motion detection, yet I think a couple of them can take SD cards.

 

They have an iOS app (maybe android too) and they actually update it regularly (that's important to look for). The app itself is well build and has a good easy to use UI.

 

https://reolink.aliexpress.com/store/804815?spm=2114.11010108.1000002.19.650c649bU8Xrm6

 

I have 2 of these in my setup and they are AWESOME:

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Reolink-PTZ-IP-Camera-PoE-Outdoor-HD-4MP-Video-4x-Optical-Zoom-Pan-Tilt-High-Speed/804815_32789110209.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.21.16e25837eXR3ok

 

Overall, all pretty easy to set up too.

 

Tip: use powerline network adaptors and injectors to network your POE cameras to hard to reach places. 

 

 


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  #2190547 4-Mar-2019 09:44
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JayADee:
Jiriteach:

 

JayADee: Are you guys using PCs or NVRs?

 

 

 

Nope - I have SD cards in each of my cameras instead. Have played with NVR's before but its more pain than worth!

 



What capacity are your SD cards?
Oh I see 128G on the specs. Does it record over itself automatically and how much recording does that hold? I assume it's recording when motion detection goes off?

 

I have 32gb microSD cards in my cameras. At full resolution, 16gb microSD cards last ~ 8 hours of continuous recording so live recording 24/7. When the disk is full it starts to overwrite from the start.

 

If you are just recording when motion is detected then you have TON's of space on a 16gb microSD card. Picture captures and videos can be done as well. 

 

I have mine to set record 24/7 as well as record separately if motion is detected. If it is then additional and seperate video and pictures are taken and push notifications enabled.


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  #2190548 4-Mar-2019 09:48
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MrMonos:

 

Have a look at Reolink from Aliexpress. They are good quality and have been around for quite a while. I have 9 set up outside of various models. Have been using well over a year with no problems and very happy. I have found them to be far better resolution than others. All except 2 are POE. I don't bother with NVR and just rely on email upon motion detection, yet I think a couple of them can take SD cards.

 

They have an iOS app (maybe android too) and they actually update it regularly (that's important to look for). The app itself is well build and has a good easy to use UI.

 

https://reolink.aliexpress.com/store/804815?spm=2114.11010108.1000002.19.650c649bU8Xrm6

 

I have 2 of these in my setup and they are AWESOME:

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Reolink-PTZ-IP-Camera-PoE-Outdoor-HD-4MP-Video-4x-Optical-Zoom-Pan-Tilt-High-Speed/804815_32789110209.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.21.16e25837eXR3ok

 

Overall, all pretty easy to set up too.

 

Tip: use powerline network adaptors and injectors to network your POE cameras to hard to reach places. 

 

 

Question out of interest - Do you use these for motion detection alerts and if so how do you find them handling motion detection and false positives? I've been through many different models of cameras and will only use those with smart object detection now as I ended up with too many false positives. 


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  #2190568 4-Mar-2019 09:57
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Jiriteach:

 

Question out of interest - Do you use these for motion detection alerts and if so how do you find them handling motion detection and false positives? I've been through many different models of cameras and will only use those with smart object detection now as I ended up with too many false positives. 

 

 

They don't have smart detection as far as I know - and even smart detection can fail. These cameras just have the option where you can limit the area of motion captured. If something 'bad' happens, I can then review captured images later for identification. I have HomeKit motion detection and door sensors inside and around the house so that's my 100% reliable way of knowing in real time when things are not what they should be. If I get a trigger, I can then open up cams remotely. It works well for me.


 
 
 
 


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  #2190603 4-Mar-2019 11:04
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If your camera gets stolen you lose your footage?


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  #2190628 4-Mar-2019 11:36
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Mattmannz:

 

If your camera gets stolen you lose your footage?

 

 

That is a a possibility but whoever the thief is would have to go through some serious lengths to steal the cameras in the positions I have them mounted in. Firstly - they cannot be reached without a ladder and secondly, they are vandal proof with and they have tamper detection. Also by now - I would have known someone it attempting to steal them. They are also heavily bolted so one cannot just pull and run away with them so haven't been as concerned.

 

I had this concern when I had Arlo's even though Arlo's uploaded footage to the cloud. My indoor Dahua's cameras upload to the cloud.




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  #2191000 4-Mar-2019 22:03
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This is great input thanks! Very informative to get such a range of opinions and options. The links to the gear are much appreciated.

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  #2191040 5-Mar-2019 07:29
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I have a Ring Floodlight camera which is great. You pay a sub for the recordings but it's not too expensive.





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  #2192177 6-Mar-2019 13:38
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mdf:

I've just installed a couple of POE Amcrest Cameras from Amazon. Not 100 per cent sure of the details, but there are some references online to Amcrest being rebadged Dahua/using Dahua components. I was originally aiming for Dahua via ebay/AliX but had seen enough warnings (mostly from here) about some suppliers being of questionable legitimacy and my luck is horrendous for buying AliX electronics and actually having them work as expected.

 

 

Amcrest = Dahua. You're buying genuine Dahua gear at a fraction of the Dahua price. The only downside is that since the supply chain now has Amcrest in the middle of it, firmware updates can be a bit delayed. But then if you're buying typical grey-market Dahua stuff you won't get any firmware updates at all.

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  #2192236 6-Mar-2019 14:50
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I have a variety of IP cameras, some connected via PoE and even an old Android cellphone using "IPWebcam"

 

They all worked fine in their own way but the best step I made was to set up ZoneMinder on an old PC running headless and out of the way.

 

Zoneminder is a very configurable NVR and does everything I need including notifications.

 

I use zmNinja app on mobile devices.

 

I have written a howto which allows me to set up a Zoneminder server in about half an hour (but there is also heaps of info on the Interweb)





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  #2192238 6-Mar-2019 14:50
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I know quite a few people have liked Arlo until they realise how often the batteries need changing.





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  #2192307 6-Mar-2019 15:44
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robfish:

I know quite a few people have liked Arlo until they realise how often the batteries need changing.



Yes. Haven’t received my Arlo as part of Galaxy S10 purchase yet, but have already ordered a 9m cable on eBay which should arrive about the time I get sick of recharging the Arlo.




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