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#265346 17-Jan-2020 11:46
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We have a garage door (Conqueror brand) that came with a keypad, you enter the code into the keypad and its sends a signal to the door and it opens.  Picture below.

 

 

Its never worked well and seems to drain the batteries (I think).  After a fairly short period of time when you push the buttons instead of beeping on each push (beep) you get the error tone instead (boop-beep) no matter what button you push and entering the code doesn't work.  Generally when this starts happening I change the batteries and it seems to be OK again.  Now its not even lasting 1 month between battery changes, so its time to get a new one.

 

Are these something standard that can be picked up anywhere, or would they be specific to our particular garage door unit.

 

I can of course ring Conqueror and try and buy one, but if it turns out they are standard items I can get anywhere then we'd probably be able to save some $$

 

EDIT: looks like they no longer trade, so we HAVE to find it somewhere else.


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  #2400752 17-Jan-2020 13:47
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Is it wired or wireless??


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  #2400756 17-Jan-2020 14:07
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Assuming its wired would one of these work?

 

https://www.aap.co.nz/shop/Access+Control/Access+Systems/CPT-DH16A-10T.html

 

Cyril


 
 
 
 




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  #2400766 17-Jan-2020 14:34
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wellygary:

 

Is it wired or wireless??

 

 

 

 

cyril7:

 

Assuming its wired would one of these work?

 

https://www.aap.co.nz/shop/Access+Control/Access+Systems/CPT-DH16A-10T.html

 

Cyril

 

 

 

 

It is wireless.

 

On the inside wall of the garage, coincidentally in approximately the same place, there is a button wired all the way back to the unit that when pushed opens the door from the inside.  Perhaps @cyril7 's product could merge into that?  Although how exactly to do this could be beyond my ability.   And it would need to be merged, as we'd still want the button.


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  #2400773 17-Jan-2020 14:40
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duckDecoy:

 

wellygary:

 

Is it wired or wireless??

 

 

It is wireless.

 

On the inside wall of the garage, coincidentally in approximately the same place, there is a button wired all the way back to the unit that when pushed opens the door from the inside.  Perhaps @cyril7 's product could merge into that?  Although how exactly to do this could be beyond my ability.   And it would need to be merged, as we'd still want the button.

 

 

Getting a wireless one will be a PITA if its out of production and using a protocol your don't know...

 

I would look at getting a waterproof wired keypad drill a hole from the other side and look at piggybacking it off the other switch wiring....

 

 


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  #2400774 17-Jan-2020 14:42
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Hi, so you say there is a button immediately behind the noted outdoor unit, that if momentarily pressed also opens the door? If so simply wire Relay1 Common/NO contacts across the button (assuming its also NO) and away you go, the installer manual explains how to add codes, it also can accept RFID cards. The catch will be that you need to provide 12-24VAC to power it, not too sure how hard that is for you.

 

Edit: if you provide more details as to layout and existing wiring it might help

 

Cyril


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  #2400795 17-Jan-2020 15:12
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cyril7:

 

Hi, so you say there is a button immediately behind the noted outdoor unit, that if momentarily pressed also opens the door? If so simply wire Relay1 Common/NO contacts across the button (assuming its also NO) and away you go, the installer manual explains how to add codes, it also can accept RFID cards. The catch will be that you need to provide 12-24VAC to power it, not too sure how hard that is for you.

 

Edit: if you provide more details as to layout and existing wiring it might help

 

Cyril

 

 

If that is the case, some of the doors actually have a 12-24 supply at the door motor itself used to power a beam set, so you could use that if you door has these, you would just need to possibly replace then 2 core cable to the button with 4core to get the power to the keypad.

 

Another alternative for a keypad would be, this one from Aero NZ or this one from Jaycar




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  #2400807 17-Jan-2020 15:38
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sparkz25:

 

cyril7:

 

Hi, so you say there is a button immediately behind the noted outdoor unit, that if momentarily pressed also opens the door? If so simply wire Relay1 Common/NO contacts across the button (assuming its also NO) and away you go, the installer manual explains how to add codes, it also can accept RFID cards. The catch will be that you need to provide 12-24VAC to power it, not too sure how hard that is for you.

 

Edit: if you provide more details as to layout and existing wiring it might help

 

Cyril

 

 

If that is the case, some of the doors actually have a 12-24 supply at the door motor itself used to power a beam set, so you could use that if you door has these, you would just need to possibly replace then 2 core cable to the button with 4core to get the power to the keypad.

 

Another alternative for a keypad would be, this one from Aero NZ or this one from Jaycar

 

 

OK so its starting to sound like I may have some options that are in my capability zone.  I will take some pics of the door motor unit and post when I get a chance.

 

If no 12-24V supply in the unit then I assume I would need to source the power from something like on of the power plugs in my garage (perhaps via an extension cable) and use some form of transformer.  This might be beyond my skill level (or not legal), but if the unit doesn't have 12-24V I might explore this option with you all too.

 

Thanks for the help so far.


 
 
 
 




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  #2400858 17-Jan-2020 16:18
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@cyril7 @sparkz25

 

Dumb question.  My current bell switch has 2 wires going into it from the motor unit.  I assume that when you press the button it must create/cut the circuit and that triggers the motor to start/stop.

 

If I get one of the keypads you pointed me to, do I wire the 12v wires into the 12v power input sockets in the keypad and that's it, or do I need to then send a wire back out again from one of the other sockets and back to the motor unit somewhere.  I guess I am asking if the keypad mimics the way the bell switch behaves, or if it is more clever than that and uses an outgoing wire to carry the signal.  The later sounds more secure to me, a bad guy cannot just pull of the external unit and connect the 12v wires together.

 

Probably a really dumb question, but this is all new to me.




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  #2406074 24-Jan-2020 14:13
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I have taken a photo of the inside of the garage door unit.  The cover was really difficult to get off, and unfortunately now the display seems to have stopped working.  Doh, I must have broken something.

 

The wiring showing in the photo comes from a 2 wire button/bell switch on the inside of the garage, pushing it opens/closes the door.  It is the white wires on the right, and they go into PB (P8?) and GND.

 

 

What I am needing to know is how to wire up one of the keypads suggested by other contributors.  I am not into electronics so am a complete noob, but I am hoping someone can tell me what wires would go where. For example some like [and this is totally made up] "put the x wire from the keypad into GND, put the y wire from the keypad into 24v, put the zz wire from the keypad into PB"

 

EDITED FOR CLARITY

 

All help appreciated.


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