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  Reply # 578119 7-Feb-2012 11:45
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bjorn: I think all that are involved think if they ignore it that it will just all go away..


I didn't get a reply from tvtv UK either.  



Keep the voting going guys, impressive list so far.....

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  Reply # 578136 7-Feb-2012 12:16
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  Reply # 578326 7-Feb-2012 17:40
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In my opinion the broadcasters do not deserve to be paid extra for others to use their non-encrypted (read again, public) EPG data for the simple reason that this is one of the expenses paid for when broadcasters go to broadcast their channels on Freeview.



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  Reply # 578519 8-Feb-2012 07:32
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codyc1515: In my opinion the broadcasters do not deserve to be paid extra for others to use their non-encrypted (read again, public) EPG data for the simple reason that this is one of the expenses paid for when broadcasters go to broadcast their channels on Freeview.


Good point!!


   





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  Reply # 578529 8-Feb-2012 08:14
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codyc1515: In my opinion the broadcasters do not deserve to be paid extra for others to use their non-encrypted (read again, public) EPG data for the simple reason that this is one of the expenses paid for when broadcasters go to broadcast their channels on Freeview.



EPG data is regarded as IP - and while we all may disagree with that, nobody in NZ has taken anybody to task regarding the issue and set any legal precent and argued otherwise.

Until that happens broadcasters have every right to argue there data is protected by current IP laws and refuse to give it away for free.

Freeview broadcast EPG data that any device that supports MHEG5 can access. I know I keep repeating this like a stuck record but there is absolutely no reason why PlayTV can't have full EPG support for every network today.      

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  Reply # 583864 20-Feb-2012 13:38
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I'm wondering how Sony haven't got themselves into trouble by advertising on their website that PlayTV has a:

"...handy 7 day Electronic Program Guide (EPG)...

* Easy to use interface with a 7 Day EPG
* Freeview Compliant"

(Ref: http://www.sony.co.nz/product/playtv)

Does this not clearly imply that the 7 day EPG should work across all channels in NZ?



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  Reply # 583867 20-Feb-2012 13:46
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jedney: I'm wondering how Sony haven't got themselves into trouble by advertising on their website that PlayTV has a:

"...handy 7 day Electronic Program Guide (EPG)...

* Easy to use interface with a 7 Day EPG
* Freeview Compliant"

(Ref: http://www.sony.co.nz/product/playtv)

Does this not clearly imply that the 7 day EPG should work across all channels in NZ?


Yes you could argue that....why don't you have them on about it....could be worth a try!!! 





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  Reply # 583868 20-Feb-2012 13:48
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Already done :-) I will post on here what I get back (if anything!).

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  Reply # 583892 20-Feb-2012 14:16
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sbiddle:
Freeview broadcast EPG data that any device that supports MHEG5 can access. I know I keep repeating this like a stuck record but there is absolutely no reason why PlayTV can't have full EPG support for every network today.      


PlayTV's pretty little booklet (well the one I got from the UK at least) actually made reference to PlayTV being MHEG5 compliant.  So yes, they appear to already have some of the code required to achieve this, if they wanted to that is.


I thought you had to pay to use the MHEG5 EPG?  The question has to be, can you use the MHEG5 EPG to provide the data only, to use in your own display format?  Will they let you do that.  If you can extract the data, like the windows media centre EPG collector utility, it essentially becomes EIT data that can be displayed however you want it.

That's the sticking point for these devices.  They don't want the format that the official guide is in.  PlayTV allows for things like searching on keywords etc.  It's superior to the MHEG5 offering here in NZ so you'd be handicapping your unit once again to fit freeviews offerings.

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  Reply # 583910 20-Feb-2012 14:37
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wilt64:
jedney: I'm wondering how Sony haven't got themselves into trouble by advertising on their website that PlayTV has a:

"...handy 7 day Electronic Program Guide (EPG)...

* Easy to use interface with a 7 Day EPG
* Freeview Compliant"

(Ref: http://www.sony.co.nz/product/playtv)

Does this not clearly imply that the 7 day EPG should work across all channels in NZ?


Yes you could argue that....why don't you have them on about it....could be worth a try!!!?


If it says freeview compliant, as well as a 7 day EPG, and doesn't advertise eclusions, then I think you could have a case for returning it, as it isn't being advertised correctly. The advertising you have provided, you would presume it would include all the channels in the EPG. When tivo didn't have prime and maori, they clearly advertised this problem, which is why a lot of people didn't buy it..



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  Reply # 583926 20-Feb-2012 14:51
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mattwnz:
wilt64:
jedney: I'm wondering how Sony haven't got themselves into trouble by advertising on their website that PlayTV has a:

"...handy 7 day Electronic Program Guide (EPG)...

* Easy to use interface with a 7 Day EPG
* Freeview Compliant"

(Ref: http://www.sony.co.nz/product/playtv)

Does this not clearly imply that the 7 day EPG should work across all channels in NZ?


Yes you could argue that....why don't you have them on about it....could be worth a try!!!?


If it says freeview compliant, as well as a 7 day EPG, and doesn't advertise eclusions, then I think you could have a case for returning it, as it isn't being advertised correctly. The advertising you have provided, you would presume it would include all the channels in the EPG. When tivo didn't have prime and maori, they clearly advertised this problem, which is why a lot of people didn't buy it..


I don’t think we can entirely blame Sony Computers for this, it looks like all 3 (MediaWorks, Prime and Sony) are being a bit pig headed about this. I still can’t understand why Prime and MediaWorks do not want their information on the EPG, one would think it would be to their benefit particularly with the “community favourites” feature on PlayTV?? At the end of this week I will be sending the “doodle” results to all 3 of them.....lets see what happens!!! So keep the votes going  http://doodle.com/dmx3kgztwfnp3pts Cheers





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  Reply # 583938 20-Feb-2012 15:10
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I don't really blame Sony for the problem, business is business and I'm sure MediaWorks and Prime are hoping that all the pressure around this will force Sony to cough up some (probably serious overinflated) costs to get this data provided.

Data deals where companies charge well over the odds for information which really they should make freely available are common place (just look at how much NZ Post charge companies for their postcode/address data!), but where I do think Sony are in wrong is by not making this product shortfall known. I purchased the PlayTV thinking I was getting a full solution with EPG and i didn't get that; that is simply misleading advertising which is not the sort of behaviour you should expect from a company the size of Sony.

Good idea with the survey, i hope it puts some additional pressure on the 3 parties to get this resolved. I don't want to "vote with my feet" and get a refund for the PlayTV because I'm hopeful that one day it will be fixed. Until then though, I think Sony should ammend their advertising.



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  Reply # 583940 20-Feb-2012 15:15
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jedney: I don't really blame Sony for the problem, business is business and I'm sure MediaWorks and Prime are hoping that all the pressure around this will force Sony to cough up some (probably serious overinflated) costs to get this data provided.

Data deals where companies charge well over the odds for information which really they should make freely available are common place (just look at how much NZ Post charge companies for their postcode/address data!), but where I do think Sony are in wrong is by not making this product shortfall known. I purchased the PlayTV thinking I was getting a full solution with EPG and i didn't get that; that is simply misleading advertising which is not the sort of behaviour you should expect from a company the size of Sony.

Good idea with the survey, i hope it puts some additional pressure on the 3 parties to get this resolved. I don't want to "vote with my feet" and get a refund for the PlayTV because I'm hopeful that one day it will be fixed. Until then though, I think Sony should ammend their advertising.



Yes it should be made clear on the packaging regarding Prime and MediaWorks, it would be interesting what Prime and MediaWorks charge for their DATA to companies like Sony, does anyone know???  







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  Reply # 587178 27-Feb-2012 07:44
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Guys want to give this vote a last nudge before I send the results into Prime, MediaWorks and SCEE so keep voting, I will send results in on Friday.

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