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Topic # 243816 3-Jan-2019 13:00
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There are a multitude of sites around the net which enable one to compare and achieve the best price when buying a domain name. Except New Zealand names it seems.

 

Has anyone seen/created/developing a real time comparison chart for NZ tlds? like .nz .co.nz and all the other nz tlds?

 

I am lead to believe it is quite difficult to create such a script? program ? However I would imagine that if there was the ability to compare it would increase competition and add the subsidised first year offer so popular overseas.

 

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  Reply # 2191445 5-Mar-2019 17:12
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Not a direct answer to your question although it's an interesting thought.. Even for the purpose of domain reselling, where the margins can actually begin to add up, I would not personally base my domain registrar choice on pricing alone.

 

You'll find some good opinions on here about the different NZ domain registrars though..


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  Reply # 2191510 5-Mar-2019 19:03
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> Has anyone seen/created/developing a real time comparison chart for NZ tlds? like .nz .co.nz and all the other nz tlds?

 

Not to my knowledge. Is not an exact science. Last time I checked 1st Domains were the cheapest registrar at $21+gst per year. A list of authorised registrars is on DNC's website. You can get rid of the overseas ones (which usually charge in USD, and have a big margin to handle the exchange rate conversion), and the ones that don't offer services any more (e.g. Vodafone, Modica, etc), and you probably only have about 15-20 sites to check the pricing.

 

InternetNZ charge the same rate regardless if it is a direct second level registration or third level domain. Restricted 2LD (.mil.nz, .cri.nz, .govt.nz, .iwi.nz) can only be registered with certain registrars.

 

> I am lead to believe it is quite difficult to create such a script? program ?

 

It would require you to scrap each website, which is probably a manual process unless you want to put a lot of work in. And then not all registrars are equal. Only some offer features such as IRPO (domain privacy), IDN, DNSSEC records, support for IPv6 glue records.

 

> However I would imagine that if there was the ability to compare it would increase competition and add the subsidised first year offer so popular overseas

 

First year discounts are unlikely to happen in the .nz space. The price InternetNZ charges registrars is fixed at $1.25/month, so either they are making a loss in their first year or charging a profit in the second year. Other registrars (hello .kiwi) offer first year discounts to the registrar (and therefore the registrant) to entice their use, and artificial inflate the number of domains in the registry.

 

A lot of people (myself included) recommend Metaname. They aren't the cheapest ($25 + gst per year for a single domain), but have excellent support, and offers all the features mentioned above).


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2191513 5-Mar-2019 19:12
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There is a difference between registrars , and resellers for nz domains. Resellers sell the domains from one of the various  authorized registrars. Things to compare are things like if they are NZ owned and operated, and where there support is based etc. Dealing with some support can be a PITA. I have been having trouble myself dealing with a SaaS website system which has the support based offshore, and it doesn't seem they fully understand English when I submit an email ticket, which is so frustrating and time expensive.You can also be waiting several days for replies. For example. it took a week to get an invoice from one that showed NZ GST on it, and even then they forgot to attach it to the email, so still waiting for it.  Whereas dealing with NZ based support can be so much easier, and they generally understand exactly what they are asking. So it can depend on how much you value your time.


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  Reply # 2191519 5-Mar-2019 19:20
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mattwnz: There is a difference between registrars , and resellers for nz domains. Resellers sell the domains from one of the various  authorized registrars.

 

Unless you are buying other services (e.g. e-mail or website hosting) from a reseller, use a registrar. Using a reseller just adds an additional level of support if there are issues, and an additional level of cost.

 

 

 

mattwnz: For example. it took a week to get an invoice from one that showed NZ GST on it, and even then they forgot to attach it to the email, so still waiting for it.

 

 

Overseas registrars don't pay (New Zealand) GST and do not need to be (NZ) GST registered assuming they do less thank $60k in trade, as with all overseas based companies.


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  Reply # 2191521 5-Mar-2019 19:25
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stinger:

 

 

 

Overseas registrars don't pay (New Zealand) GST and do not need to be (NZ) GST registered assuming they do less thank $60k in trade, as with all overseas based companies.

 

 

They have to collect it though https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/356351/govt-announces-amazon-tax-to-apply-gst-to-online-goods

 

 I use an overseas registrar for some domains, and they now charge me 15% GST, as does the the overseas SaaS website provider.


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  Reply # 2217463 15-Apr-2019 15:09
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For me price comes second. Service is what counts, I've had clients search and end up with a cheap domain with Crazy Domains in Australia - BUT, all their fee does is register the domain to you - Ohhh you want to edit an MX record for your email, you'll have to pay for DNS Services, suddenly not so cheap any more.

 

Personally I use Discount Domains, mainly because I've used them for years and the price is good, reliability is good and ability to contact them is good and speak to someone sitting in their Office with direct access to the servers to get things fixed.

 

The main requirements for me are

 

1) Ability to Edit DNS zones myself 24 hours a day and see them change quickly (Irrespective of TTL's I want to see the server record itself change)

 

2) And part of 1 - The ability to Edit TTL's per record, I've had some where you apply a TTL to every record and the lowest is 1 hour - Its OK but I like to change teh individual records I plan to change to a 5 minute TTL a couple of days in advance so when switching a client to Office 365 for example we change the MX Record and within 5 minutes ALL email is going to the new mailbox.

 

3) The possibility to ring and talk to someone with good understanding of DNS and the ability to do what is required while talking to them. Its rarely needed but it happens.

 

My only other problem I've had with registrars and so far they ALL seem to be the same on this. The domain renewal process is so automated that if the registrant has changed emails and the email address listed as the registrant is going to an old unused address the domain will end up just cancelling. I've never understood why they don't have someone junior in the Office just making courtesy phone calls to let people know their domain is about to expire. The number of times I've seen peoples domain expire and the first they know about it is when someone rings them to say their email address is bouncing.

 

Just my input.

 

 


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  Reply # 2217805 16-Apr-2019 08:03
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stinger:

 

First year discounts are unlikely to happen in the .nz space. The price InternetNZ charges registrars is fixed at $1.25/month, so either they are making a loss in their first year or charging a profit in the second year. Other registrars (hello .kiwi) offer first year discounts to the registrar (and therefore the registrant) to entice their use, and artificial inflate the number of domains in the registry.

 

 

Also it's super easy to transfer NZ domains and there's no registrar lock-period (except first 5 days) so very risky for NZ registrars to sell at a loss in the first year unless they can bundle in other "sticky" services.

 

 


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