Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5
116 posts

Master Geek


  # 1252158 6-Mar-2015 10:26
One person supports this post

Not sure how this is supposed to work for businesses?

I have to sign a none disclosure agreement for every client I work for. That means I cannot disclose my passwords without getting in trouble and possible losing my job/career.


51 posts

Master Geek


  # 1252179 6-Mar-2015 10:57
Send private message

I don't store anything much on then laptop other than game saves for Civ4 and Civ5 but everything else that could be considered as ummm lets call it sensitive, is stored on external USB hard drives. They are quite welcome to remove the SSD and attach it to another computer, but would they have the time, knowledge, skill?

There are also some Excel databases but nothing sensitive.

 
 
 
 


5073 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1252211 6-Mar-2015 11:51
Send private message

xpd: Lets say I do have to give up my password to my Linux installed laptop that dosent have a GUI - would I then have to show them around my files ? Or are the staff going to be trained up in all the different OS's out there and know how to tell the difference between a JPG and a JPG thats been renamed .dll to hide it.... and so on. 

I guess if theyre convinced theres something being hidden theyll take it off you and hand it over to an "expert" for 6 months.......


I expect that if they couldn't find what they were looking for using potato-level skills they'd just confiscate it and send it back to someone who (hopefully) knew what they were doing.




iPad Pro 11" + iPhone XS + 2degrees 4tw!

 

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.


5073 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1252215 6-Mar-2015 11:52
One person supports this post
Send private message

testha: Not sure how this is supposed to work for businesses?

I have to sign a none disclosure agreement for every client I work for. That means I cannot disclose my passwords without getting in trouble and possible losing my job/career.



The law cannot be trumped by a contract. If the government seized a computer with company sensitive information on it, you cannot be held liable for that. 




iPad Pro 11" + iPhone XS + 2degrees 4tw!

 

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.


454 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

  # 1252217 6-Mar-2015 12:01
2 people support this post
Send private message

My BIG problem here is they are asking for the passwords themselves, not for the user to enter them.   Passwords open more than just the laptop, for example a username/password combo for a Domain Joined laptop could potentially give access to VPNs, Wifi, Mail, File Servers, Other Computers within their enterprise.

Or if the traveller was using the MS account as a login to a Win 8 machine, then the customs officer has just got the info required to login to the windows market place and purchase Apps of the sort that the customs offices gets a cut of. 

The second problem I have is this solves nothing.  Asking the person to enter their password, and them refusing will have the same result as asking them for it and them refusing.    Lets say the user did have something nasty on their laptop, but ALSO had a failsafe password to wipe the thing.  In that scenario the dodgy user just gives customs the failsafe, they enter it, triggering the wipe.  I can't see where this is any better than requiring the user to unlock the device on request.




Warning: reality may differ from above post

Mad Scientist
20928 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  # 1252219 6-Mar-2015 12:02
Send private message

Not just this country.

You might travel into a country that wants to access your stuff




Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


399 posts

Ultimate Geek


  # 1252223 6-Mar-2015 12:04
One person supports this post
Send private message

In a perfect world I would agree....doing nothing wrong...nothing to fear.

But I am pretty sure we do not live in a perfect world...   My greatest fear with this waving of our privacy ---- 

What about the custom agent that is having a bad day or week we run into?
What about the custom agent that really shouldn't be a custom agent?
What about the potential security holes ---- that might allow someone to store something on another device in the crowd.
Perhaps custom agents will be pressured by some kind of quota or their numbers are low versus co-workers.
Custom agent with an undiagnosed medical condition (maybe PTSD from a traumatic life experience, or w/e).

What about the innocent people that get caught up in this snare? How many innocent people are you willing to send to jail to catch a guilty person? ----- "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"

And as said by someone else. It isn't just this country. Today in Canada -----

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/quebec-resident-alain-philippon-to-fight-charge-for-not-giving-up-phone-password-at-airport-1.2982236

 
 
 
 


116 posts

Master Geek


  # 1252243 6-Mar-2015 12:21

SaltyNZ:
testha: Not sure how this is supposed to work for businesses?

I have to sign a none disclosure agreement for every client I work for. That means I cannot disclose my passwords without getting in trouble and possible losing my job/career.



The law cannot be trumped by a contract. If the government seized a computer with company sensitive information on it, you cannot be held liable for that. 


Most of my clients are government, not sure how they feel is someone without the proper clearance can ask me for my passwords and potentially get access to information.

I also carry several security tokens with me, since they can be used to securely store data outside of the device I am carrying will I have to tell them these passwords as well?

What about my password safe?

What if I forget a password?

They clearly havent thought this through.

5073 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1252249 6-Mar-2015 12:35
Send private message

testha:
I also carry several security tokens with me, since they can be used to securely store data outside of the device I am carrying will I have to tell them these passwords as well?


I suppose it depends on circumstances, but presumably, yes, if they asked for it.


What about my password safe? What if I forget a password?

They clearly havent thought this through.


Yes, that's right, it's a terrible suggestion, and it makes criminals out of innocent people. Make sure you make your submission and suggest that they at least only be allowed to demand access with a high standard of prior suspicion.




iPad Pro 11" + iPhone XS + 2degrees 4tw!

 

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.


4538 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  # 1252262 6-Mar-2015 13:14
Send private message

According to the minister interview, if i heard it correct this morning, customs are allowed to request this anyways... She mentioned only 150s cases a year but later corrected by the ?custom department - 1500s cases a year where they request/access with the password. So that is like 5-6 cases a day where people are asked to surrender their password..

So why the need for law change?

If this is just going to slow down people at the airport, I won't bother taking my laptop.





454 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

  # 1252284 6-Mar-2015 13:28
Send private message

nakedmolerat:  So that is like 5-6 cases a day
Lets assume that each of those people had 450 gigabytes of data on them.  They manage to inspect 5-6 seconds worth of data that the southern cross cable can currently move.  In 1/2 an hour more data has gone through that cable alone than they can inspect in a year.   Having customs 'prevent nasty data' entering NZ is just a joke.




Warning: reality may differ from above post

634 posts

Ultimate Geek

Subscriber

  # 1252285 6-Mar-2015 13:33
Send private message

Customs could do themselves a favour by backing up their requests with decent reasons, preferably referencing transparent figures and statistics.

Rather that the current reasons of "just cos" and "we think other countries have this so we want it too".

Awesome
4859 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1252288 6-Mar-2015 13:42
3 people support this post
Send private message

Perfect time to install some five eyes spyware on the devices of anyone they see fit. Would get around those pesky warrants they would need to get access to the device if the person wasn't travelling.




Twitter: ajobbins


794 posts

Ultimate Geek


  # 1252299 6-Mar-2015 13:59
Send private message

I don't mind the way they currently work(ie our police or interpol request they search specific people's items based on reasonable intelligence) and think it should stay that way.



15172 posts

Uber Geek


  # 1252301 6-Mar-2015 14:03
Send private message

I thought banks forbid you to give your passwords to anyone. Many people have password lockers so once logged in they would have access to all your passwords.

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter and LinkedIn »



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Arlo unveils its first video doorbell
Posted 21-Oct-2019 08:27


New Zealand students shortlisted for James Dyson Award
Posted 21-Oct-2019 08:18


Norton LifeLock Launches Norton 360
Posted 21-Oct-2019 08:11


Microsoft New Zealand Partner Awards results
Posted 18-Oct-2019 10:18


Logitech introduces new Made for Google keyboard and mouse devices
Posted 16-Oct-2019 13:36


MATTR launches to accelerate decentralised identity
Posted 16-Oct-2019 10:28


Vodafone X-Squad powers up for customers
Posted 16-Oct-2019 08:15


D Link ANZ launches EXO Smart Mesh Wi Fi Routers with McAfee protection
Posted 15-Oct-2019 11:31


Major Japanese retailer partners with smart New Zealand technology IMAGR
Posted 14-Oct-2019 10:29


Ola pioneers one-time passcode feature to fight rideshare fraud
Posted 14-Oct-2019 10:24


Spark Sport new home of NZC matches from 2020
Posted 10-Oct-2019 09:59


Meet Nola, Noel Leeming's new digital employee
Posted 4-Oct-2019 08:07


Registrations for Sprout Accelerator open for 2020 season
Posted 4-Oct-2019 08:02


Teletrac Navman welcomes AI tech leader Jens Meggers as new President
Posted 4-Oct-2019 07:41


Vodafone makes voice of 4G (VoLTE) official
Posted 4-Oct-2019 07:36



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.