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Topic # 205226 4-Nov-2016 11:17
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The Mate 9 was announced overnight.

 

Had a brief look over the phone. The specs seem quite good. It is a massive phone though.

 

Any thoughts.

 

 


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  Reply # 1663630 4-Nov-2016 11:23
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  Reply # 1663695 4-Nov-2016 12:06
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I want one. This will, in all likelihood, be my next daily driver. Mate 8 was so close, but the local SKU had 3GB RAM instead of 4GB, and I couldn't step down from the 4GB in the Note5 I was using at the time despite the market-leading processor and epic battery life.

 

Let's see now. Nougat out of the box, even better processor that's first to market with ARM Cortex A73 (And I'm REALLY looking forward to this since it's from a different development branch at ARM, and that branch has a stellar track record for performant core architecture designs), 3G on the second SIM slot where applicable (Which won't be NZ because our telcos are allergic to Dual SIM SKUs), bonus IR blaster, fascinating machine learning elements, fixes the Mate 8's camera issues. Yep, I'm pretty much sold.

 

Do wish it was a little squarer like the previous models, but the back looks a lot nicer this time around. Missed out on a hands-on earlier this week, must hassle our account manager.

 

Meanwhile the Porsche Design flavour is, er, an S7 edge for people who don't like Samsung? I guess. Oh well. I suppose Porsche had to go somewhere now that BlackBerry isn't making their own hardware anymore.

 

 

 

EDIT: As for massive phones, get back to me once you've used the 6.8" P8max or ASUS ZenFone 3 Ultra. Now those, those are massive phones. ;)





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  Reply # 1663704 4-Nov-2016 12:14
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NikT:

 

I want one. This will, in all likelihood, be my next daily driver. Mate 8 was so close, but the local SKU had 3GB RAM instead of 4GB, and I couldn't step down from the 4GB in the Note5 I was using at the time despite the market-leading processor and epic battery life.

 

Let's see now. Nougat out of the box, even better processor that's first to market with ARM Cortex A73 (And I'm REALLY looking forward to this since it's from a different development branch at ARM, and that branch has a stellar track record for performant core architecture designs), 3G on the second SIM slot where applicable (Which won't be NZ because our telcos are allergic to Dual SIM SKUs), bonus IR blaster, fascinating machine learning elements, fixes the Mate 8's camera issues. Yep, I'm pretty much sold.

 

Do wish it was a little squarer like the previous models, but the back looks a lot nicer this time around. Missed out on a hands-on earlier this week, must hassle our account manager.

 

Meanwhile the Porsche Design flavour is, er, an S7 edge for people who don't like Samsung? I guess. Oh well. I suppose Porsche had to go somewhere now that BlackBerry isn't making their own hardware anymore.

 

 

 

EDIT: As for massive phones, get back to me once you've used the 6.8" P8max or ASUS ZenFone 3 Ultra. Now those, those are massive phones. ;)

 

 

 

 

My wife used a P8 Max for about 8 months she loved it. It was HUGE.





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  Reply # 1663712 4-Nov-2016 12:24
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MikeB4:

 

My wife used a P8 Max for about 8 months she loved it. It was HUGE.

 

 

Had one for ~6 weeks myself, the build quality on that thing was insane. Solid chunk of metal, incredibly premium, puts the iPhones to shame. Kept it under my pillow as an alarm clock! If only that generation of Kirin processors had been, well, any good at all - they were super slow and inefficient. The Mate 8 was such a crazy step up, Huawei went from the bottom of the roll-your-own mobile CPU pack to the tip-top pinnacle of Androidland with the Kirin 950, still keeps up with Samsung's best Exynos chips, and the 960 looks to continue that trend.

 

Turns out 6.8" is of all things a little too wide for my tastes. The 6.6" Honor Note 8 is much more manageable, as is my 6.4" Mi Max. 6" is a sweet spot though. I have a sample of the Meizu M3 Max, and it's gorgeously designed (In fact, I'd give it the edge over the Mate series). If it only had a Snapdragon 650/652 or Mediatek Helio X20/X25 instead of the all-Cortex A53 P10. Big phones. Can't beat 'em.

 

 

 

EDIT: The one area of concern is audio quality. Can anyone who owns a Mate 8 comment on the headphone jack output?





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  Reply # 1664256 5-Nov-2016 14:03
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How does this (std Mate 8, not the Porsche ed) compare to the P series in terms of performance, quality etc? I see what the Mate 8 is selling for already, which is damn cheap, so am not sure where the Mates are designed to sit in relation to the P series.

I like the feel of the P8+ in the hand, but would be happy with a larger screen. The Mate 9 seems to be about the same size as the 6P I've also been looking at, but with a larger screen so less bezel (prefer the feel of the P9+ to the 6P).

I see the screen is IPS, whereas the P9+is AMOLED - should that be of any concern?

Also, any inkling what the Mate 9 may sell for in NZ?

Thanks in advance for any answers!

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  Reply # 1664262 5-Nov-2016 14:21
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jonathan18: How does this (std Mate 8, not the Porsche ed) compare to the P series in terms of performance, quality etc? I see what the Mate 8 is selling for already, which is damn cheap, so am not sure where the Mates are designed to sit in relation to the P series.

I like the feel of the P8+ in the hand, but would be happy with a larger screen. The Mate 9 seems to be about the same size as the 6P I've also been looking at, but with a larger screen so less bezel (prefer the feel of the P9+ to the 6P).

I see the screen is IPS, whereas the P9+is AMOLED - should that be of any concern?

Also, any inkling what the Mate 9 may sell for in NZ?

Thanks in advance for any answers!

 

The Mate series is to the P series as the Note series is to Galaxy S, i.e. better - the end-of-year spec-bump flagship. The Mate 8 is an incredible phone, with Huawei's Kirin SoCs skyrocketing from the bottom rung of roll-your-own Android ARM chips to the top, besting the competition from both Samsung and Qualcomm. Only reason I didn't pick one up myself was the band 28 variant having 3GB RAM instead of 4GB.

 

IPS vs. OLED is personal preference, I've gone off OLED because burn-out is a fact of life with that tech. IPS panels are also true-stripe RGB whereas OLED panels have fewer subpixels thanks to the PenTile layout.

 

Mate 9 pricing will hopefully be on par with the smaller flagships like the iPhone 7, Galaxy S7, and LG V20, so circa $1199. Fingers crossed it won't be on that next $1400-$1700 tier with the Pixels/S7 edge/Note 7/iPhone 7 Plus. That said, the tech inside this one would be worth that price if you consider the competition to be worth it.





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  Reply # 1664265 5-Nov-2016 14:28
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Cheers for the quick reply, Nik. Always helpful...

Must say it's tempting to hold out to see what the reviews of this are like, and confirmation of the price of course!

Yeah, I tend to find the pop of AMOLED screens a bit too much, so shouldn't find that a big worry. But what about the lower res on such a big screen? Seems like a backwards step to go from the higher res on my ever-slower G3 to a "mere" 1080 on a 5.9" monster. Or is this just not a problem in reality?

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  Reply # 1664268 5-Nov-2016 14:32
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jonathan18: Cheers for the quick reply, Nik. Always helpful...

Must say it's tempting to hold out to see what the reviews of this are like, and confirmation of the price of course!

Yeah, I tend to find the pop of AMOLED screens a bit too much, so shouldn't find that a big worry. But what about the lower res on such a big screen? Seems like a backwards step to go from the higher res on my ever-slower G3 to a "mere" 1080 on a 5.9" monster. Or is this just not a problem in reality?

 

Let's put it this way: I have on me a 6" Meizu M3 Max, a 6.4" Xiaomi Mi Max, and a 6.8" ASUS ZenFone 3 Ultra, all 1080p. Perfectly happy with the resolution on all of them. The larger the phone, the further away from your face you need to hold it. The other real-world advantage of lower resolution is better battery life. Amusingly, 1080p @ 6" is still a higher PPI (367) than the 720p @ 4.7" iPhone 6/6s/7 (325).





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  Reply # 1664273 5-Nov-2016 15:02
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Thanks, Nik - I promise this to be my last set of questions!

 

Yep, I've read as much elsewhere so just need to get over this fear of the lower res; in reality I'd rather have longer battery life as well.

 

In regards to the Mate 8 - would it still be considered a good phone to purchase now? I'm concerned the 9 may be out of my price range when released, and I'll have to wait months for it to drop to a point I can afford it. I note your comment re the 3GB of RAM, but would that affect a 'standard' user (compared to someone such as yourself)? I'm assuming it'll still be a significant step up from my G3!

 

I guess even if I hold off to see what the Mate 9 will sell for, its release should lead to a drop in the 8's price anyway, should I end up with that... 

 

Thanks again.


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Thanks, Nik - I promise this to be my last set of questions!

 

Yep, I've read as much elsewhere so just need to get over this fear of the lower res; in reality I'd rather have longer battery life as well.

 

In regards to the Mate 8 - would it still be considered a good phone to purchase now? I'm concerned the 9 may be out of my price range when released, and I'll have to wait months for it to drop to a point I can afford it. I note your comment re the 3GB of RAM, but would that affect a 'standard' user (compared to someone such as yourself)? I'm assuming it'll still be a significant step up from my G3!

 

I guess even if I hold off to see what the Mate 9 will sell for, its release should lead to a drop in the 8's price anyway, should I end up with that... 

 

Thanks again.

 

 

Absolutely yes, the Mate 8 is still brilliant, and no, 4GB vs. 3GB of RAM isn't much of a limitation. Just another tickbox on the baseline flagship specsheet. The above Mi Max (Which is my daily driver...this week, anyway) is the 32GB/3GB RAM variant, and it's just fine. I...should really have bought a Mate 8.

 

This is partly due to Chinese OEMs having an inverse philosophy to Google when it comes to giving apps free reign. Vanilla Android and most Western-focused OEM flavours thereof allow apps to run in the background by default, start at boot, generally do their own thing as designed by the app devs. But as anyone who's used an Android smartphone extensively knows, this isn't always a good thing - if you want an app installed to use 'sometimes' and don't want it running in the background consuming resources and/or phone home 24/7, there's nothing you can really do to stop that without root access. By way of example, I manage the PB Tech Facebook page with the Pages Manager app, and have an intense dislike and distrust of all of Facebook's Android apps, so I want to stomp it into the ground as soon as I'm done using it. The situation gets even worse when there are preinstalled apps and services you don't want and can't remove, which also run 24/7, leading to less RAM for desirable apps and worse battery life (See: Galaxy S 1-5, Note 1-4). Doze and Doze on-the-go from Android 6.0 and 7.0 respectively are nice, yet they're really just bandaids. iOS allows users to choose which apps can work in the background and which can't, via the Background App Refresh toggle, and Google still hasn't built any equivalent first-party feature.

 

Huawei, Xiaomi, Meizu, and others do the opposite, clamping down on all user-installed apps as soon as the phone's in standby - it's necessary to explicitly whitelist the ones you want to start automatically and 'lock' the ones you want to remain active in RAM. This can be a little confusing for some users as it does tend to delay notifications, as well as requiring trial and error to get the mix just right, but I'd much rather have options than not.

 

Curious to hear how you've gotten on with this in the P9 Plus, or if you've even noticed it at all!

 

TL;DR yeah 3GB is fine, Huawei has software tweaks.

 

Notably the Mate 8 was produced just after Google and Huawei collaborated on the Nexus 6P, so I'd wager its all-round awesomeness owes something to that collaboration. The Kirin 950 processor in the Mate 8 absolutely smokes the unfortunate Snapdragon 810 in the 6P. Bearing in mind the P9 Plus uses the slightly upspecced Kirin 955, there's not a huge difference between that and the 950 beyond binning and a minor clock speed bump.

 

I should go do something that isn't phones-related with my Saturday, but what can I say, it's been a hell of a week. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯





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  Reply # 1664285 5-Nov-2016 15:33
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NikT:

 

 

 

Notably the Mate 8 was produced just after Google and Huawei collaborated on the Nexus 6P, so I'd wager its all-round awesomeness owes something to that collaboration. The Kirin 650 processor in the Mate 8 absolutely smokes the unfortunate Snapdragon 810 in the 6P. Bearing in mind the P9 Plus uses the slightly upspecced Kirin 655, there's not a huge difference between that and the 650 beyond binning and a minor clock speed bump.

 

 

 

 

Nik you mean the Kirin 950 and 955 right?





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  Reply # 1664286 5-Nov-2016 15:34
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sidders80:

 

Nik you mean the Kirin 950 and 955 right?

 

 

I do. As above, long week. Gotta launch dem phones.





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  Reply # 1664574 6-Nov-2016 14:41
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Popped into NL's yesterday to try a Mate 8 out - they have them on 'run out' at $699 - and was certainly happy with the value for money of this phone. Great in the hand too - feels (and looks) nicer than the 6P, I reckon. Reading a few reviews of it, though, threw up some concerns regarding the quality of the camera on the 8 - and a good camera is a must for me. This has made me decide to hold off, with the intention to buy the Mate 9 when it's released. There'll surely be a big jump in quality of the cameras between the Mate 8 and 9, given the 9's is similar to what's in the P9+.

 

Only thing I'm unsure of is what the price of the Mate 9 will be in NZ - I'm sure Huawei make the most of their ever-improving reputation and of the absence of the Note 7 to market it at a higher price point than the Mate 8... That said, being a new model should mean I can hold onto it for an additional year...

 

Any word on its release date and price for NZ?

 

Thanks again, Nik, for all your advice and commentary.


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  Reply # 1664579 6-Nov-2016 14:56
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Porsche edition looks like a htc m9 with a bit of lg camera area with a Samsung front. And a iPhone 6 bottom. And the PD logo doesn't look very Porsche.

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jonathan18: How does this (std Mate 8, not the Porsche ed) compare to the P series in terms of performance, quality etc? I see what the Mate 8 is selling for already, which is damn cheap, so am not sure where the Mates are designed to sit in relation to the P series.

I like the feel of the P8+ in the hand, but would be happy with a larger screen. The Mate 9 seems to be about the same size as the 6P I've also been looking at, but with a larger screen so less bezel (prefer the feel of the P9+ to the 6P).

I see the screen is IPS, whereas the P9+is AMOLED - should that be of any concern?

Also, any inkling what the Mate 9 may sell for in NZ?

Thanks in advance for any answers!

 

I recently got a Mate 8 for $499 smile

 

I saw a few reviews on-line comparing the Mate 8 & Mate 9 but imho there didn't seem to be much in it and the Mate 9 will be a lot more than $499 !

 

I use BT headphones, the only time I use the headphone jack is for ear buds when I want to listen to FM Radio but obviously cheap ear buds isn't the best way to test the headphone jack...

 

I was very pleased with my Mate 8 [my first phone over 4"], my only issue is EMUI I should have realised it doesn't have multi-user so I may have to root it yet...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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