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#265681 5-Feb-2020 09:12
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117306260/sustainable-nz-party-launches-promising-to-be-a-fulltime-environmental-party

 

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"If you've wanted to vote for the environment, you've had to vote for a party that has acted a clearing house for left-of-Labour activists, that often put social issues ahead of the environment," Tava said.

 

National deputy leader Paula Bennett said she thought the party had a shot, as there were many voters who were upset that the Greens had gone into coalition negotiations and won a referendum on cannabis instead of more environmental policy.

 

"They are welcome to the race. I think they've thought really well through their policies," Bennett said.

 

"There's a gap at the moment that the Greens aren't reaching."

 

So can the Sustainable NZ Party get going fast enough to be a suitable coalition partner for National in this year's election?

 

 


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  #2412839 5-Feb-2020 09:32
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I doubt it, it is fairly obvious they are a National backed sock puppet designed soley to try to extract votes from the Green party and drop them below 5%. It is notable they went to a National MP for a quote about the party. There is always talk from the national side about a so-called teal party but it ignores the fact that left-wing policies have always been a core part of the Green party movement. Essentially you can't have sustainability while leaving so many people behind economically.


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  #2412848 5-Feb-2020 09:53
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The supposition that a new party can capture the true environmentalists from the watermelon party is not a bad one.  After all, the Greens themselves trace their origins in NZ to the Values party, which in turn appealed to what we would now call the green-reds within Labour.  The fact that the Sustainable NZ party is spear-headed by ex-National people is an impediment but that can be overcome with the right campaign material if they are genuine.





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  #2412853 5-Feb-2020 10:04
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There's a gap at the moment that the Greens aren't reaching."

 

So can the Sustainable NZ Party get going fast enough to be a suitable coalition partner for National in this year's election?

 

 

 

No, not without a boat load of cash and a leader with more profile than Vernon,

 

 

 

TOP got 2.4% with Gareth Morgan pouring between $2 and $4 million and pretty much getting up the nose of every cat owner in the Country....

 

To get to 5% from 0% is a really big ask , and the Sustainability party simply don't have the money or profile to get there in 7 months...

 

Also even if they did get 5% , it would not all come from the Green party, a fairly large chunk would be those "blue-greens" inside the National party- so its really a bit of an own goal for National....

 

 

 

 




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  #2413842 6-Feb-2020 20:03
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> Can they influence this year's election?

 

 

 

The likelihood of this is as close to zero as you can get.


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  #2414278 7-Feb-2020 15:34
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wellygary:

 

There's a gap at the moment that the Greens aren't reaching."

 

So can the Sustainable NZ Party get going fast enough to be a suitable coalition partner for National in this year's election?

 

 

 

No, not without a boat load of cash and a leader with more profile than Vernon,

 

 

 

TOP got 2.4% with Gareth Morgan pouring between $2 and $4 million and pretty much getting up the nose of every cat owner in the Country....

 

To get to 5% from 0% is a really big ask , and the Sustainability party simply don't have the money or profile to get there in 7 months...

 

Also even if they did get 5% , it would not all come from the Green party, a fairly large chunk would be those "blue-greens" inside the National party- so its really a bit of an own goal for National....

 

 

At the last election TOP was a Gareth Morgan vanity party (as is NZF and Winston Peters).  Morgan had no political experience.  The purpose of Sustainable NZ is that of a single-issue party (similar to the Maori party).  SNZ is clearly targeting those voters looking for a single-issue environmnetal party as an alternative to the watermelon Greens NZ.





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  #2414357 7-Feb-2020 18:28
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OldGeek:

wellygary:


There's a gap at the moment that the Greens aren't reaching."


So can the Sustainable NZ Party get going fast enough to be a suitable coalition partner for National in this year's election?


 


No, not without a boat load of cash and a leader with more profile than Vernon,


 


TOP got 2.4% with Gareth Morgan pouring between $2 and $4 million and pretty much getting up the nose of every cat owner in the Country....


To get to 5% from 0% is a really big ask , and the Sustainability party simply don't have the money or profile to get there in 7 months...


Also even if they did get 5% , it would not all come from the Green party, a fairly large chunk would be those "blue-greens" inside the National party- so its really a bit of an own goal for National....



At the last election TOP was a Gareth Morgan vanity party (as is NZF and Winston Peters).  Morgan had no political experience.  The purpose of Sustainable NZ is that of a single-issue party (similar to the Maori party).  SNZ is clearly targeting those voters looking for a single-issue environmnetal party as an alternative to the watermelon Greens NZ.



The chances of that single issue party getting greater than 5% of the vote are five tenths of three eighth of sweet FA. They do have the potential to take votes from the greens and weaken the chances of a labour green coalition. That is of course why it has a large number of ex national party members.

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  #2414597 8-Feb-2020 11:32
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That only works if it can separate Green voters who like the environment from Green voters who care about social justice. 

 

I can't see this working. 




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  #2414604 8-Feb-2020 11:42
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I would think that Green voters who like 'Social Justice' will have to choose their priority.  The recent government announcements on Infrastructure spending have seen the Greens stomped on with roading spending (and rightly so) so because they are tied to Labour they are ineffectual with advancing environmental concerns.  Sustainable NZ have no such ties.





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