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SteveC

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#269974 17-Apr-2020 17:03
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We have some Panasonic smart music devices using Qualcomm 'AllPlay'. For a few years we have been using them, happily streaming Internet radio.
Sadly, Qualcomm have recently dropped support for their protocol. Internet radio no longer works on the Panasonic devices.This is annoying, but I thought the answer would be our Serviio server. The Panasonic devices can receive DLNA feeds from Serviio and Serviio has an option to enter radio streaming content as 'Online Sources'.
My plan was to point Serviio at the stream, then pick it up on any DLNA client. I've entered the details. Serviio tells me the URLs are valid sound content. I was expecting that my DLNA clients would have a new category of media from which I select my radio station

Can someone confirm that a DLNA server can serve and client can receive a stream as I've described?
Any suggestions on what I might be doing wrong?

Thanks!
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  #2464436 17-Apr-2020 19:50
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Maybe Plex with a Plex client on the Panasonic tv? It does also dlna but a client would be a better experience.

Failing that you might be able to look at something like volumio I think that has a dlna server as well.




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  #2464475 17-Apr-2020 22:29
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davidcole: Maybe Plex with a Plex client on the Panasonic tv? It does also dlna but a client would be a better experience.

Failing that you might be able to look at something like volumio I think that has a dlna server as well.
Thanks!
Plex was one of the options I was considering, but it wasn't clear to me at the time that it could serve DLNA.
This is the Panasonic music system we have: https://www.panasonic.com/nz/consumer/home-entertainment/audio-learn/audio/all-your-music-in-every-room.html

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  #2464581 18-Apr-2020 10:41
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I've got the Panasonic SH-ALL1CGN unit, to provide connectivity to my hi-fi system, and have just checked the internet radio on that, and it's still working fine for me.  What app are you using to get the internet radio on your devices?  I usually use either the AllPlay Radio, or AllPlay Jukebox apps, but have also re-tried the Panasonic Music Streaming one - they all found and played internet radio without any issues.  Or have you previously been doing it some other way?




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  #2464658 18-Apr-2020 12:30
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smarsden:

I've got the Panasonic SH-ALL1CGN unit, to provide connectivity to my hi-fi system, and have just checked the internet radio on that, and it's still working fine for me.  What app are you using to get the internet radio on your devices?  I usually use either the AllPlay Radio, or AllPlay Jukebox apps, but have also re-tried the Panasonic Music Streaming one - they all found and played internet radio without any issues.  Or have you previously been doing it some other way?


All very mysterious! We have three devices, and SH-ALL1CGN like you, connected to an amp in the kitchen, a full mini stereo in the lounge - PMX100 and a portable ALL05. The most significant weakness has always been synchronizing operation of the three of them. Works about 99% of the time. Losing sound for 10 seconds every thousand or so seconds is a First World Problem, but still annoying!
First problem we identified was the the preset buttons on the ALL05 stopped working. We found this page which lowered our expectations: https://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/audio/info/allplay_radio.html

Following your reply (thanks for that) we have done some more experimenting. Seems that we can stream radio to one device at time, then join them together again. Good grief! (.. and the buttons on the portable still don't work)

Overall, it seems that home music automation is either expensive or flakey. In the case of Sonos, it is expensive and unsustainable. I won't purchase a product that has a policy of deliberately generating waste. https://witchdoctor.co.nz/index.php/2020/01/sonos-recycling-mode-is-anything-but/ (They might have backtracked since this article was written, but that's a bit late.)

  #2464852 18-Apr-2020 15:24
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i managed to get this working with with serviio

 

 

 

I downloaded the following plugin

 

https://forum.serviio.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5096&sid=12e807f850c6fae63c6115baeb49770e

 

 

 

I then went to the Library/online sources in the serviio console,

 

Source type - Live Stream

 

Media Type - Audio

 

Source URL - in my case (http://tunein-icecast.mediaworks.nz/rock_128kbps) i just found the stream by inspecting the tunein webpage while playing the media in a browser

 

the rest you can select yourself

 

 

 

Then went to the presentation tab and enabled audio and online at the bottom. opened it on my up on my Kodi Media player connected to my tv, and Upnp (DNLA) player on my phone and it was there and working.

 

also tried with a online streaming TV channel and this also worked.

 

 

 

it doesnt work straight to my old LG TV as the TV doesnt understand the format that the streams are in.


  #2464900 18-Apr-2020 16:01
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my 2019 lgtv would play the TV link but not the streaming radio one


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  #2465061 18-Apr-2020 20:01
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Jase2985:

i managed to get this working with with serviio ...


LOL! I managed that too, but not before:
* Tried fresh install of Serviio ver 2 (I have 1.9 licensed, don't want to buy a new licence for the upgrade.)
* Fiddled about with DLNA clients, trying to see if there I was missing something there.
* Discovered JRivermedia player. Looks very nice, but definitely not what I want.
* Tried Plex and Volumio with miniDLNA plugin & ReadMeida (Thanks @davidcole - Volumio is a very nice server.)
* Tried various combinations of pulseaudio-dlna/pavucontrol(might have worked with Volumio with a bit more effort)
* @smarsden suggest I retest the underlying problem and I found a workaround to part of problem.
* @Jase2985 came up the missing bits of the Serviio solution, which looks very nice. Thank you! Only other thing I had to do that was not in any instructions was to reboot the server before the plugin took effect.

Here is a very good list of New Zealand streamed stations: http://fmstream.org/index.php?c=NZL&o=R
Finding station icons is harder. Might create a folder of them on my home server. Ideas on where to find these anyone?

... and a totally unexpected bonus - the presets on the ALL05 portable speaker seem to be able to remember DLNA streams. Go figure!



  #2465081 18-Apr-2020 21:16
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try here https://i.mjh.nz/nz/images/

 

and use this (open in notepad) to match the image to the station

 

https://i.mjh.nz/nz/kodi.m3u8

 

are you still running V2? you could try the downgrade to V1.9 and try again as i dont know if there is anything preventing you doing this in V1.9

 

i use Kodi(media player software on a ARM Single board PC) to to my streaming tv and radio and act as a DLNA client. just means i dont need a smart TV and its somewhat more flexible than smart TV


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  #2465109 18-Apr-2020 22:39
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Thanks for the images @Jase2985. For some reason the RNZ National and Rock ones are not working. I've put these strings into Serviio:
http://i.mjh.nz/nz/images/radio.ih.6866.png
http://i.mjh.nz/nz/images/radio.or.1.png

My main player is the 1.9 that I've using for a few years (with upgrades). Not sure there are many new features we would use in ver 2.0. We only use it for music.

I was very impressed with Volumio. If you'd not come to my rescue, I might have switched.

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  #2465425 19-Apr-2020 14:16
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Another request please @Jase2985 - do you have a URL I can use to stream The Sound through Serviio? I can find all the other stations we like (not many, somewhat sadly), but not that one. We do have a workaround too, but consistency is nice.
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  #2465620 19-Apr-2020 19:04
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Yep! That seems to do the trick thanks @Jase2985! I'm very greatful and a little surprised that only four people have responded to this post and you are the only one who is trying to do the same thing as me.
I wonder what other people do? Be interesting to know how many people have a centrally managed music system. I suspect most would be Sonos or Bose, but there are others, all expensive by our standards.
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SteveC: Yep! That seems to do the trick thanks @Jase2985! I'm very greatful and a little surprised that only four people have responded to this post and you are the only one who is trying to do the same thing as me.
I wonder what other people do? Be interesting to know how many people have a centrally managed music system. I suspect most would be Sonos or Bose, but there are others, all expensive by our standards.
:-)

 

like i mentioned earlier i uses a kodi box which has all the streaming built into that, so serviio in my house is just for serving up movies from my desktop.

 

i hadnt actually done any of the above before, when your topic came up it just peaked my curiosity and i wanted to see if it was possible so gave it a go.

 

i use serviio as when i installed plex it had 8gb of thumbnails and about 250k worth of files for a media library that didn't even crack 10k. it was too much bloatware for me. serviio was much more streamlined as i didnt need anything too fancy and it just worked.


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  #2467021 21-Apr-2020 12:29
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Does the Fritzbox not also do this?

 


  #2467068 21-Apr-2020 13:26
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@NumPy looks like it should be able to, its just creating the DLNA/Upnp server on the fritzbox.


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