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#77737 21-Feb-2011 21:46
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How hard would it be to get unlimited national bandwith? Because telecom owns most of the lines. I think it would not be that hard.

Someone prove me wrong!

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  #442127 21-Feb-2011 21:50
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What do you mean by Unlimited? everything in the universe has limits.
1Gb/s? 10Gb/s 100Gb/s connection?

I am 100% sure any ISP can sell you any speed you want if you have the $$ to pay for it.


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  #442130 21-Feb-2011 21:57
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Sure if you want to pay for it!

Ring Telecom and ask how much for your own private network across NZ and unlimited data.

It would pay to take a seat before the $$ figure is read out

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  #442135 21-Feb-2011 22:08
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Even if it is just your standard ADSL bandwith and all the national data you can eat. Surely it cant be that much



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  #442138 21-Feb-2011 22:11
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revolution488: Even if it is just your standard ADSL bandwith and all the national data you can eat. Surely it cant be that much


No I am sure Telecom will accept a dozen hot scones one a month for payment

NealR do you want Jam on these with cream?

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  #442139 21-Feb-2011 22:15
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What happens when someone visits a site hosted overseas thinking it would be Zero rated national traffic cause the URL address had .co.nz on the end of it?

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  #442144 21-Feb-2011 22:21
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More like metered data to non telecom IP's and unmetered data to telecom IP's

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#442146 21-Feb-2011 22:24
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revolution488: More like metered data to non telecom IP's and unmetered data to telecom IP's


Sure come and explain to my mum please



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  #442150 21-Feb-2011 22:26
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johnr: What happens when someone visits a site hosted overseas thinking it would be Zero rated national traffic cause the URL address had .co.nz on the end of it?


they would be sad.





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  #442154 21-Feb-2011 22:31
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You can probably get unlimited if you are prepared to pay.

How much are you prepared to pay for unlimited, unmetered, traffic?




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  #442156 21-Feb-2011 22:41
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Almost all colocation services have unlimited national data and cost around $100 a month including rack space and power. The problem with DSL is the handover limits between Telecom wholesale and the ISPs and backhaul costs. If those didn't exist, then I think a lot more ISPs would offer free/cheaper national. Slingshot have already said they intend to offer free national with the new fibre network for example as it isn't constrained by the handover limits of Telecom wholesale using current DSL.

Ironically one of the other biggest hurdles to free national is the atitude of Telecom and Telstra to not work with the other ISPs and improve domestic connectivity via the peering Exchanges. They use their market power to co-erce smaller ISPs into paying them to get traffic to their network. So for example lets say Orcon host a video streaming service, Telecom are charging Orcon to provide Telecom's own customers with a service!! 




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  #442159 21-Feb-2011 22:44
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Peering is all good if the traffic is symmetrical. Otherwise we just go back to the same discussion as MTR (Mobile Termination Rates).

Also note Telecom Wholesale charges ISPs what is determined by the Commerce Commission.





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  #442167 21-Feb-2011 23:05
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revolution488: Even if it is just your standard ADSL bandwith and all the national data you can eat. Surely it cant be that much

Unfortunately, infrastructure costs money. When things break down, things need to be replaced. When more capacity is required, that costs more money. It won't be a free ride.

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  #442168 21-Feb-2011 23:09
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Bandwidth (the amount of data a network can move at any time) is a limited resource. Because of this limitation, and the management required, there's a price to pay to use it.

You also have to factor in where the content comes from. Most of the content in the U.S. originates from within that country. But here in New Zealand most of the content actually comes from overseas. This has a different cost, as you can certainly imagine.

Add to this equipment, maintenance, support, operations, and the costs go higher.




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  #442172 21-Feb-2011 23:16
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freitasm: Peering is all good if the traffic is symmetrical. Otherwise we just go back to the same discussion as MTR (Mobile Termination Rates).

Also note Telecom Wholesale charges ISPs what is determined by the Commerce Commission.



Why does the traffic need to be symmetric? What I detest is someone like Telecom or Telstra charging content providers to provide a reason to use the internet to their users (for whom they then charge). For example we are working on a major application which will likely see TB of data transferred to our customers every month. If our colocation provider didn't provide unlimited free national I would probably just peer at the APE and for ISPs who don't they can pay for their customers to access our US node. Maybe if we got big enough Telecom may ask for a private peering but I very much doubt that....




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  #442174 21-Feb-2011 23:27
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I believe the argument Telecom used was based around "Why should we pay to carrier data from Southland to Auckland and hand it over to another party for free when we get nothing from them"

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, The great depeering was a while ago 




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