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FurryFur

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#126787 19-Jul-2013 17:10
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I would like to know if anyone can confirm that mobile broadband and RBI broadband use the exact same infrastructure. What I mean is, can you take an RBI sim from your RBI router, put it in a usb mobile broadband stick (unlocked or with the same provider) and have it work? And would the signal be exactly the same?

The reason I ask is because I am trying to help my Aikido instructor setup RBI broadband at his house. Officially Vodafone says that they are unable to deliver RBI to their address. However my instructors house is three stories high and if I walk out on the balcony on the top floor I am able to get an ok Vodafone signal using my Vodem stick. I did a speed test by downloading a large pdf file from the Vodafone website (I don't actually have any credit on this stick but the Vodafone site is free to access) and got about 150KB/s. Presumably with a proper RBI modem + antenna these speeds would be much improved.

The problem is that my instructor is already with Farmside on a satellite connection (the latency is like 1000ms lowest and the data cap is ridiculously low for such a high price) and they have tried to get RBI through them already. At first the installer said that they could get it even though Farmside said they could not. It sounds like the installer just tested with his mobile phone, said my instructor could get RBI broadband (since there was a 3G signal) and has then come back later to perform the installation. It seems he has then been unable to get a signal using his proper RBI test equipment... This doesn't make much sense to me if mobile and RBI broadband use the same infrastructure but I have some theories.

The reasons I can think of that the installer was unable to get a Farmside RBI connection are:


  • Vodafone and Farmside are using different radio equipment and the Vodafone signal is simply better (I had thought they both used the same equipment as Farmside doesn't own any towers themselves as far as I'm aware).

  • Farmside doesn't actually have any equipment in our local tower and it is actually impossible to get a Farmside RBI signal here (this seems very unlikely)

  • RBI broadband itself actually uses different radio transmission equipment and the signal isn't as strong as the mobile broadband signal where my instructors house is.

  • The installers equipment was simply broken or not setup properly...

  • Some other factor I am unaware of.


What do you guys think?

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  #862289 19-Jul-2013 17:12
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You will not be able to use the RBI SIM in other device as the SIM is locked to the device / hardware, Trying to bypass this lock will kill the SIM card

RBI network is the same hardware as the 3G mobile network from NSN so the coverage between mobile network and RBI is 100% the same

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  #862339 19-Jul-2013 19:05
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An important thing to note - There is a list of towers that are "RBI Enabled"
This is where backhaul has been upgraded already (fibre or microwave to the tower) and bigger antennas added etc.

So if farmside are saying there is no RBI yet then it means the towers in the local area probably havent been RBI enabled.

RBI is professionally installed - uses and outdoor antenna and so although much of the tower and network plant infrastructure is the same, the Client Premesis Device / equipment is different and so is the quality of service as a result.

Vodafone would be happy to sell someone a stick that they can take around with them on a best effort supply basis, but not an RBI connection that has contention ratios, and signal quality requirements to meet their obligations to the government.

So what i am saying is that RBI enabled tower is one that has the capacity to supply service at the level required by the governments RBI funding conditions.




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  #862404 19-Jul-2013 22:37
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What area is this in?




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  #862617 20-Jul-2013 15:20
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We are in the Whitianga area, the 3G signal would be coming from the Red Hill tower. I'm pretty sure the tower is RBI enabled as I can see the cell tower from my house and Vodafone tells me I'm able to get RBI broadband at my own location.

Does RBI broadband work on the 2G and 2.5G networks? Maybe the Vodem stick is only working on 2G/2.5G at my instructors house... I'm pretty sure when I looked at the Vodafone mobile broadband app (windows 8) it said it was using one of the HSUPA/HSDPA protocols though. I'll have to double check. I suppose I could also boot into Linux and try it with the connection locked to UMTS as well, although I'm not sure if the Vodem stick works as well under Linux.

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  #862662 20-Jul-2013 17:06
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It would depend what model Vodem you are using and mobile broadband is not the 2.5G network

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  #862670 20-Jul-2013 17:29
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@FurryFur flick me an email / pm with some contact details and address if you would like some assistance seeing what options are available.

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