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linw

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#317327 6-Oct-2024 12:33
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Our Navy has found the reef it was looking for.

 

Well done, team.

 

Hope we don't send another ship to find the first ship😆


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  #3293488 6-Oct-2024 13:04
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So, so many questions ...




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  #3293550 6-Oct-2024 14:18
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johno1234:

 

So, so many questions ...

 

 

The court of inquiry and subsequent court martial will answer some of those.





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  #3293551 6-Oct-2024 14:20
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I figure the new recruit from the Ferries hasn't worked out......





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  #3293552 6-Oct-2024 14:22
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Dingbatt:

johno1234:


So, so many questions ...



The court of inquiry and subsequent court martial will answer some of those.



Bit early to presume that someone will get charged for it, isn't it?

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  #3293599 6-Oct-2024 14:33
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Ge0rge:
Dingbatt:

 

The court of inquiry and subsequent court martial will answer some of those.

 



Bit early to presume that someone will get charged for it, isn't it?

 

I think “Grounding of one of HM Ships” is automatically a Court Martial.





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  #3293601 6-Oct-2024 14:37
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Saw it on the media early this morning and I see it has now turned into a submarine ... someones definitly going to get their butt kicked.


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  #3293602 6-Oct-2024 14:46
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I know the OP was being ironic, but surely there is a more accurate title for this thread?





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  #3293604 6-Oct-2024 14:51
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Dingbatt:

I think “Grounding of one of HM Ships” is automatically a Court Martial.



No. There are ten offences on that list, and offences relating to ships, vehicles, aircraft and weapons don't feature.


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  #3293606 6-Oct-2024 15:04
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Ferries, barges, and now naval vessels.

 

Fingers crossed our Americas Cup crew know how to stay inside the lines.





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  #3293607 6-Oct-2024 15:08
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The HMNZS Manawanui - a specialist dive and hydrographic vessel - was conducting a reef survey when it hit the reef on Saturday night.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/529935/nz-navy-ship-runs-aground-off-samoa-catches-fire-and-sinks

 

Well it was doing a reef survey, so present charts were old, inaccurate, even non existent.
Necessarily getting closer to the reef than normal navigation safety would allow.

 

Not sure if it had the best modern 3D sonar technology, or older survey gear that would have left them vulnerable under certain conditions. 

 

They did have a successful mission clearing out old WWII munitions from harbors. 
https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/475578/international-naval-team-finds-22-huge-world-war-ii-bombs-in-tuvalu-lagoon

 

We do design and manufacture some nice 3D Sonar kit, not sure how this might compare with what they equipped.
https://www.enl.co.nz/pages/wassp

 

Everyone is fine, so that is great, facing a Military Tribunal will be no cake walk though.


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  #3293617 6-Oct-2024 17:49
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@GeekGuy - I still think Ukraine has a significant leg up in the ship to submarine conversion industry. NZ has a long way to go to get to those levels of efficiencies.

In these challenging times we need to do what we can to support the creation of this emerging domestic industry.




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  #3293626 6-Oct-2024 18:45
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This did come to mind.

 


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  #3293628 6-Oct-2024 19:14
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When the airforce want to stay somewhere nice for a bit longer, they just claim the plane has broken down and the replacement widget will be here in $time variable proportional to hotel stars.

Fill credit to navy for commitment and execution, however as a long term strategy, the sustainability may need revisiting. A suspected dose of food poisoning in engineering may have been equally as effective, but nowhere near as dramatic.

On the plus side, it does speed up the replacement process.

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Navy dispels concerns HMNZS Manawanui is leaking oil
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/530173/navy-dispels-concerns-hmnzs-manawanui-is-leaking-oil

""
"The divers went out this morning to survey the ship ... and from what they've reported there has been nothing leaking from the ship once it sunk."
"" In about 30m of water
"She's very stable, she's lying on her side in that depth of water and quite stable."
""

 

Maybe quite salvageble, but given its large topheavy structure it may foil any refloating.
Its not like you just fill it with ping pong balls and it just pops up and alls good.
Ping Pong Balls Raise a Boat, Donald Duck and Mythbusters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MOJN07XRYw&t

Stream the recovery efforts, sell sponsorships and it might just pay for the whole thing, or make a profit. 

 

China has some very large floating salvage cranes but they seem to be busy with a Nuclear Submarine -Or Not-.


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  #3295187 9-Oct-2024 22:21
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I know some of the people on board and have heard some details of their ordeal.

 

Sounds like the fact no one died was a bit lucky and things could easily have ended up in tragedy.

 

 





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