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#141000 26-Feb-2014 17:00
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Chorus has advised that our area of Paraparaumu/Kapiti is lucky enough to have fibre available as of last week.  Absolutely gutted that there are no ISP's that provide a link to the Pram exchange for the connection to the Chorus fibre......this really is a "horse before the cart" scenario....

Would anyone out there from any of the ISP's have a time-frame or an estimate of time that there will be a "link" to connect the sunshine coast to a the amazing speeds of fibre?  Fully hoping Snap will get in first, I know you can do it, I want your plans, here's my money!!!!!!!




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  #994977 26-Feb-2014 17:31
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oh dear that's worse than my scenario! (backdoor neighbour has fibre - we don't - and he uses internet to check his emails)

 
 
 

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  #994978 26-Feb-2014 17:34
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It's a shame for sure.  I know Param is on the board for us, no dates as yet but you probably won't need to wait too much longer.

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  #994980 26-Feb-2014 17:37
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ubergeeknz: It's a shame for sure.  I know Param is on the board for us, no dates as yet but you probably won't need to wait too much longer.


Excellent, thank you for the reply, I think the first ISP in will get most of the connections as I know of quite a few homes that are biting at the bit for a connection.




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  #994983 26-Feb-2014 17:42
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There's some regions that may never get any ISPs, due to them being just so unpopulated, the numbers simply wouldn't stack up.  To my mind the cost to ISPs to service some areas vs the potential rewards should have been considered by CFH in the planning stages.

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  #994985 26-Feb-2014 17:43
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joker97: oh dear that's worse than my scenario! (backdoor neighbour has fibre - we don't - and he uses internet to check his emails)


I have even dug a new trench (lucky it's sand) to a new POE, installed the Hybrid from my comms cabinet to the new POE, all ready for connection, now I'm all dressed up and no where to go......




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  #994987 26-Feb-2014 17:48
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ubergeeknz: There's some regions that may never get any ISPs, due to them being just so unpopulated, the numbers simply wouldn't stack up.  To my mind the cost to ISPs to service some areas vs the potential rewards should have been considered by CFH in the planning stages.


I really was dumbfounded when I spoke to a great Telecom rep and he explained the situation (he only found out himself), he said exactly that, that there may be areas that would not get any service on fibre even though the cable has been laid in the ground.  




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  #995012 26-Feb-2014 18:30
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At least one ISP will do it. It's inevitable no matter the population density.




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  #995017 26-Feb-2014 18:37
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someone might get fed up and set up their own ISP just for your town :P




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  #995070 26-Feb-2014 20:14
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I guess the problem with Kapiti is that we don't have our own regional ISP - e.g. EOL for Tauranga, Snap for Christchurch.

I'd put my money on Snap to be the first in (when that is, who knows), they seem to be leading in terms of UFB coverage

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  #995072 26-Feb-2014 20:33
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So the CFH makes LFCs install UFB Fibre in areas where there is no RSPs ?

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  #995114 26-Feb-2014 21:43
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ubergeeknz: There's some regions that may never get any ISPs, due to them being just so unpopulated, the numbers simply wouldn't stack up.  To my mind the cost to ISPs to service some areas vs the potential rewards should have been considered by CFH in the planning stages.


This is something that has been an ongoing discussion in the industry for quite some time.. And there is no "fallback" ISP.

IMHO one of the biggest failings of UFB is the lack of tail services, at least that allowed an ISP no matter how big of small to supply services without needing to rely on a 3rd party for backhaul.


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  #995119 26-Feb-2014 21:49
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sbiddle: IMHO one of the biggest failings of UFB is the lack of tail services, at least that allowed an ISP no matter how big of small to supply services without needing to rely on a 3rd party for backhaul.



I disagree. Forcing ISPs to order their own backhaul improves overall end-to-end delivery as they've got more control in the process.

For places like Kapiti, no doubt providers such as Kordia, FX Networks or even Snap! will add it to their "national backhaul" product that they've developed with UFB in mind.

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  #995123 26-Feb-2014 21:57
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Hi All,

I just checked with our Network Build people and Paraparaumu/Kapiti is currently under build with us, they did not have a specific time-frame for this, but said it wont be far away as our network is now actually live there (just not ready for UFB/GPON customer connections yet). Currently we are at 17 UFB areas, and we will have all UFB areas completed by mid this year.

Other sites we have under build stage at the moment are Whangarei, Whanganui, and Whakatane, no ETA on them at the moment but we will be announcing them live soon.

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  #995124 26-Feb-2014 22:00
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RalphFromSnap: Hi All,

I just checked with our Network Build people and Paraparaumu/Kapiti is currently under build with us, they did not have a specific time-frame for this, but said it wont be far away as our network is now actually live there (just not ready for UFB/GPON customer connections yet). Currently we are at 17 UFB areas, and we will have all UFB areas completed by mid this year.

Other sites we have under build stage at the moment are Whangarei, Whanganui, and Whakatane, no ETA on them at the moment but we will be announcing them live soon.

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You my friend, have made my night!  I will go to bed and sleep well, knowing that I will be getting Fibre shortly with Snap....Well Done :)

Thank you Ralph




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ubergeeknz: There's some regions that may never get any ISPs, due to them being just so unpopulated, the numbers simply wouldn't stack up.  To my mind the cost to ISPs to service some areas vs the potential rewards should have been considered by CFH in the planning stages.

I think it was considered in round 2 of the planning after all the submissions agreed this would happen if LFCs were not able to provide layer 2 service. They didn't think of the obvious solution (a nationwide L2 wholesaler) so CFH allowed bids for both fibre and a monopoly on layer 2 service for the first few years. I suspect Telecom and Voda would try to get into all the areas and at least Telecom may be willing to wholesale to other ISPs they already have a relationship with.

BTW: the ONT and anything that lights up the fibre is Layer 2, basically the connection itself. Routers, internet and IP networks are Layer 3. The problem is that backhaul from the exchange to the ISPs is not included in the UFB part of it, so internet providers have to get connections in there before they can provide anything in each area.




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