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#68948 30-Sep-2010 10:57
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My Civ 5 Pre-order arrived last Friday, a few hours waiting for Steam to let me play it (damn worldwide release dates/times) and I got stuck into it.

First impressions: Ooohhh pretty
5 minutes later: Hmm, bit slow (PC well above min spec)
1 hour later: Ok, reboot and run it in DX9, much faster, less pretty
5 hours later: AI is kinda sucky, Tech tree is devoid of any path/variation, resources are devalued and dumbed down (especially food resources), tiles are dumbed down (flood plains=Grassland for example), Cities are far too easy to take even when defended by a unit, Health is no longer in the game, Global happiness, Embarkation feels a bit cheap and makes holding borders much harder, no way to change your Civ's Policies to adapt as the game progresses, Diplomacy is watered down, some nations are much stronger than others and make the game way too easy, the list goes on...

Ok, so maybe I'm expecting a bit too much, but to me Civ5 doesn't feel like Civ1-4 at all, I guess to sum it up, I still find myself playing Civ4 with different mods, or even vanilla BTS, I can't see myself coming back to Civ5 in a months time, let alone years after release.

They could have ported Civ4 into a hex-based map with the updated graphics, tweaked some of the silly things in Civ4 (SOD's, emphasis on religion etc.) and included the innovations like City states (which I have to say I only find marginally useful) and ranged combat (that was already modded in Civ4) and would have had a much much better game.

Meh, maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy, but Civ5 feels like a step backwards.

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  #386252 30-Sep-2010 11:05
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Did you get the retail box or you getting it off Steam? The retail box can add to Steam account, so should you lost the DVD, there's Steam.

Anyway, I don't call it underwhelming, it is very different breed from its previous Civ. Kinda feel like it's a reboot. Gone were religions and politic, in with the Social Policy.

I suggest you give the tutorial ago, as it is becoming more strategic gameplay to capture and utilise each tiles for their unique benefits to your troops/productions.

I don't see it as backwards, you may be getting grumpy and old hehe.. but it is new gameplay, and certainly most ideas are coming from Civilization Revolution, to bridge in the console players to the PC platform.

It's a whole new learning curve for EVERYONE. Die-hard Civ players will detaste it until they relearn new game plan - I went through the basic tutorial and started exploring new game, it is very different and need new strategy to play this Civ 5. Old learnt tactic should be ignored if you'll game on Civ 5.




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  #386267 30-Sep-2010 11:32
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I had the Retail box, problem with Steam was you couldn't install off the retal DVD until Steam officially released it at 1am GMT or something silly.

I guess I wanted the level of complexity to stay similar to old Civ games, for me that was what made them special as well as the grand scale of your empire building and wars, now there is no need to plan a campaign into the tropics and secure the types of resources that are there or establish outposts in the frozen north/south to get those resources.

In Civ 5 I started playing at Prince, skipped the tutorials and won a domination victory on a standard map as England, wiped 4 Civ capitals within about 50 turns of getting Longswords. Tried again and had cultural victory quite easily as France. The learning curve is not what I'm disappointed with, it's very very easy to pick up which I'm guessing is what they have aimed for, I just miss all the nuance from the old games, even some of the annoying micro-management stuff like spreading your religion to neighbours to firm them up as allies, or having more reasons to choose between terrain updates (I miss towns and the reward for building them up over decades).


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  #386271 30-Sep-2010 11:38
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Oh? I installed my copy later that Friday evening...

I like the City-State concept. It's like a form of NPC allies if you butter up with them well.

And mini-event/mission to keep your troops at it to gain more XPs etc.




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  #386280 30-Sep-2010 12:08
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They peaked with Alpha Centauri that was a great game.


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  #386308 30-Sep-2010 13:15
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Also the steam version costs more ($90USD vs $80/90/100NZ retail)

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  #386309 30-Sep-2010 13:18
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I bought it using Paypal via a friend in Canada that gifted it to me through Steam, got around the stupid regional pricing so was quite happy about that, ended up being $70nzd and enabled early pre-install so was running within a minute of release.

Yesterday's update fixed the crashes I had so now is running nice and smooth.

I find that the game is more strategic now. Gone are the engy/road spams, now you have to plan a little better.

I like the social policy tree, this really influences your strategy now, and I certainly don't mind the removal of religion.

I also like how the game very much uses all 4 of my cores plus the other 4 logical ones, it really is properly multithreaded, but the dx11 gfx certainly make the gfx card hum.

Standard size and above maps do take a while to complete, but then after a couple of play through it's getting much quicker now.

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  #386343 30-Sep-2010 14:26
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I have been playing Civilization since the second version and i will agree with you that this latest version is a big step in a different direction to what they have usually been but i like it, yes its different but i feel the changes are still good and its still a very fun game to play




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  #386355 30-Sep-2010 14:56
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System: I have been playing Civilization since the second version and i will agree with you that this latest version is a big step in a different direction to what they have usually been but i like it, yes its different but i feel the changes are still good and its still a very fun game to play


That's pretty much the common thread amongst the reviewers on Metacritic. After nearly 40 reviews it's averaging 91%.

I bought mine from JB HiFi last Friday for $84. It's still sitting in the car while I finish Mass Effect 2 - because I know that once I start on Civ 5, I will never get back to ME2 and I am quite enjoying it. I am definitely a victim of the "just one more turn and suddenly it's 3.00 am" syndrome, being a devotee of Civ II and Civ IV in the past.




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  #386362 30-Sep-2010 15:10
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System: I have been playing Civilization since the second version and i will agree with you that this latest version is a big step in a different direction to what they have usually been but i like it, yes its different but i feel the changes are still good and its still a very fun game to play


Fair comment, but do you think you will be coming back to play Civ5 month after month? For me it feels too shallow, there is not a huge variety in strategy that you need to employ (layer melee units on +defence terrain with archers/siege weapons behind, let enemy come to you, play as England and go 3 deep with longbows...).

Invading another Civ? Hang off their coastal waters with embarked units (cultural spread very rarely is 2 deep at sea to keep you away) and blitzkrieg them.

What to do with Great people? Not much choice.
Great Generals - Everyone should have one loitering in their front line, too easy to get via policy, Golden Age fodder after the 1st.
Great Scientists - Use to discover new Tech, beats all their other uses hands down.
Great Merchant - Trade mission unless you are already flush with cash, then Golden Age.
Great Engineer - Build a wonder, no brainer.

The buildings are all fairly pointless as they take up a tile and you have to work them to get the benefit (apart from citadel of course that has very limited use if you have a natural bottleneck on the map), option to have them join a city as specialist is missing and would have offered a little choice.

Meh, I'm just old and stuck in my ways :(


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  #386367 30-Sep-2010 15:18
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Cymro: Meh, I'm just old and stuck in my ways :(


Yup... I like how Civ V is a nice mix of Civ Rev + Civ IV.




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  #386407 30-Sep-2010 17:19
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Cymro:
System: I have been playing Civilization since the second version and i will agree with you that this latest version is a big step in a different direction to what they have usually been but i like it, yes its different but i feel the changes are still good and its still a very fun game to play


Fair comment, but do you think you will be coming back to play Civ5 month after month? For me it feels too shallow, there is not a huge variety in strategy that you need to employ (layer melee units on +defence terrain with archers/siege weapons behind, let enemy come to you, play as England and go 3 deep with longbows...).



I won't be able to answer that for another few months :P

I have invested alot of time into it over the last few days and lose track of time very easily with it which is a common symptom with the previous versions, i can see myself playing it for a while yet and don't see it getting boring very quickly.




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  #386629 1-Oct-2010 09:26
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Any other Geekzoners with Civ V, pop your Steam ID at http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=64&topicid=68761

p/s: There is a Geekzone Steam Group as well.




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  #388149 5-Oct-2010 12:18
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Will it work on 1.8 Ghz duo with 1gb ram? or should i be looking for new PC?

i am affraid to start playing CIV again as it takes DAYS!

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  #388197 5-Oct-2010 13:05
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I highly doubt it, if it does run you will be restricted to small maps with very few civilizations




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  #388219 5-Oct-2010 13:27
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Civ V is quite a beast... It certainly make great use of multicore.

I've recently played on Chieftain level, with 2 other AIs on Tiny map... gosh it is quite different and I have to play it strategically, the most I have ever done on Civ-series! I enjoyed it! Took 3 hours on Normal speed.




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