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#195892 10-May-2016 17:20
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Hi GZ,

 

I had a scoping visit from a tech who will be doing some internal cable work for my house before UFB arrives. The arrangement is as follows:

 

1. Set up a wall-mounted rack downstairs in a spare rumpus room for the ONT, Router (Edgerouter lite), Switch (TP Link 24-port POE SG2424P switch), and my 2 NAS boxes.

 

2. Run CAT6 cabling underneath, over the roof or around the outside (as appropriate) and terminate to RJ45 plates in a few different locations around the house, including a few places where I'll put a Wireless AP.

 

 

 

So the setup is ONT --> ER Lite --> 24-port PoE Switch --> Various RJ45 plates in the house.

 

Simple enough, but one location, our entertainment centre area, is a big hive of demand. I have about eight devices that I'd like to wire with ethernet (I'm in a pretty densely crowded wifi area so would like to try and avoid wifi connections for these devices) at that location. Running eight cables and setting up eight faceplates feels like it's a bit much, and so I was considering a simpler option of say one or two RJ45 jacks in the TV area, and a second, smaller, switch for all the devices in the entertainment area.

 

But switch daisy-chaining has a terrible reputation, and I can appreciate why that is. The question is, even if I'm happy to run a bunch of cables up there, is there a less ugly solution than 8 RJ45 jacks coming out of the wall that I could use?

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

V

 

 


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  #1549402 10-May-2016 17:34
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But switch daisy-chaining has a terrible reputation, and I can appreciate why that is

 

could you explain please


 
 
 

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  #1549434 10-May-2016 18:19
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for fun you could by a 20m multimode fibre patch lead ($30) and two sfp connectors ($39 each) and a SFP switch for the telly end (I assume the edge router or 24port POE switch has a SFP cage... I haven't looked.)

 

So  ont ...cat5... edgerouter.... POE switch  ........fibre.....switch.....telly stuff

 

                                                               ....... other outlets

 

 

 

I just ran 6 cat5/6 cables... easier in the end but no where near as geekey





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  #1549437 10-May-2016 18:22
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mdooher:

 

for fun you could by a 20m multimode fibre patch lead ($30) and two sfp connectors ($39 each) and a SFP switch for the telly end (I assume the edge router has a SFP cage... I haven't looked.

 

So  ont ...cat5... edgerouter ........fibre.....switch.....telly stuff

 

                                          ....... other outlets

 

 

 

I just ran 6 cat5/6 cables... easier in the end but no where near as geekey

 

 

The only thing is running fibre won't make any difference to the network performance!

 

 




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  #1549443 10-May-2016 18:22
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in the instance as for your media, i would say it wouldnt be a problem.

 

 

 

it is unlikely your going to be pushing too heavy data demands there and a single 1G link will be enough.

 

If IGMP snooping or tagging is a requirement, there are a few cheap fanless 8 port "Easy Smart" switches out there now days.

 

 

 

For the main entertainment area here, it is a single 1G link from the main switch to a unmanaged switch for all the TV, Sky etc Equipment there. I could have ran a bunch of cables, plenty of room under the house and the setup would make a large number of cables not an horrible sight at all. however it was simply more economical to just drop a switch down there.

 

 

 

It looks elegant and simple enough that family members know "that modem gives wired internet to things we plug into it"





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  #1549444 10-May-2016 18:23
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sbiddle:

 

mdooher:

 

for fun you could by a 20m multimode fibre patch lead ($30) and two sfp connectors ($39 each) and a SFP switch for the telly end (I assume the edge router has a SFP cage... I haven't looked.

 

So  ont ...cat5... edgerouter ........fibre.....switch.....telly stuff

 

                                          ....... other outlets

 

 

 

I just ran 6 cat5/6 cables... easier in the end but no where near as geekey

 

 

The only thing is running fibre won't make any difference to the network performance!

 

still fun...and that's pretty much how every large installation is done

 

 

 





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  #1549447 10-May-2016 18:35
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The setup you are describing isn't strictly daisy chaining - that is a single 'loop' of ethernet around the house.

 

What you are describing is a good enough way, a second switch for those devices in the entertainment area.  I would still try and terminate a six plate terminal in that area, remember each individual cat6 cable has a limit to it's bandwith of 1Gbps .  So try and get as much individual RJ45 ports as feasible, but don't worry about another small switch on one of those, for the extra devices in the entertainment area.

 

 

 

Not explained very scientifically, but is a common setup.


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  #1549461 10-May-2016 19:28
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Thanks for the feedback everyone.

 

jonb: I didn't realise that a wall plate that had 6 jacks was even a thing! Does it go higher? I don't mind having one wall plate with many inputs, i was just worried that I'd have to have a whole bunch of separate plates sprawling my whole wall. If it's doable and isn't going to be a problem for the cabling tech, then a single plate works for me, allowing me to run separate cables down to the switch (where there's still plenty of room).




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  #1549464 10-May-2016 19:38
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mdooher:

 

sbiddle:

 

mdooher:

 

for fun you could by a 20m multimode fibre patch lead ($30) and two sfp connectors ($39 each) and a SFP switch for the telly end (I assume the edge router has a SFP cage... I haven't looked.

 

So  ont ...cat5... edgerouter ........fibre.....switch.....telly stuff

 

                                          ....... other outlets

 

 

 

I just ran 6 cat5/6 cables... easier in the end but no where near as geekey

 

 

The only thing is running fibre won't make any difference to the network performance!

 

still fun...and that's pretty much how every large installation is done

 

 

 

 

 

Fibre used to only be used when copper runs were over 100m. It's still pretty rare to see something such as a 20m fibre patch in the real world to connect switches unless it's to deliver 10Gbps uplinks.

 

 


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  #1549471 10-May-2016 19:48
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Jase2985:

 

http://www.dynamix.co.nz/home/netwacc/nc215/FP-6PV3

 

Like that

 

 

I prefer standard PDL 600 series. It's a lot cheaper!

 

 


  #1549477 10-May-2016 19:53
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sbiddle:

 

Jase2985:

 

http://www.dynamix.co.nz/home/netwacc/nc215/FP-6PV3

 

Like that

 

 

I prefer standard PDL 600 series. It's a lot cheaper!

 

 

 

 

it was more an example of a 6 gang plate rather than a buy this product. The op said they didnt realise they existed and i though i would show them one

 

was the first one i found when googling


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  #1549481 10-May-2016 19:57
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I placed a single PDL faceplate with 6 RJ45s in my lounge and it isnt/wasnt a problem, so why not have two face plates supplying 10 or 8 runs if there arent any issues getting under the house to run them.

 

Plugging ether net straight into the wall with short runs of Ethernet cable is much tidier than the switch that was there with rats nest of ether net and power supplies

 

 

 

A.

 

 

 

 


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  #1549491 10-May-2016 20:08
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Jase2985:

sbiddle:


Jase2985:


http://www.dynamix.co.nz/home/netwacc/nc215/FP-6PV3


Like that



I prefer standard PDL 600 series. It's a lot cheaper!


 



it was more an example of a 6 gang plate rather than a buy this product. The op said they didnt realise they existed and i though i would show them one


was the first one i found when googling



And I'm very grateful! Brilliant. Will ask the tech if he reckons there's enough room for us to do something like this.

Thanks for the help. Really really appreciate it.

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  #1549500 10-May-2016 20:19
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If you go keystones then you can get double/tripple wide boxes and then 6 keystones per brackety thing in it, usually used with the speaker and video passthrus behind HT amps and stuff, but no reason you couldnt go 3 wide with 6 rj45's on the first 2 and then the antenna/hdmi/whatever on the last one. Ugly american style plates go over it, but if its hidden then its hidden.





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  #1549632 11-May-2016 09:22
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http://www.dynamix.co.nz/home/netwacc/nc900/PP-MINI8-UK

 

 

 

looks like it would do the job if it's going to be hidden behind gear 


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