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#268242 7-Mar-2020 12:29
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Before you answer - while Chorus are completing a trial of 10Gigabit Internet I know that while the majority of us are at 1Gig or slower internet speed....it's not uncommon for us to run a NAS for secure storage of our files, and large 4K or 8K video grow to a pretty large size.  Suffice to say some people move a lot of data around their local networks, independent of the speed things arrive from the Internet.

 

 

 

It seems the latest broadband routers are offering us mesh, integrating with smart devices, and other cool new offerings - but I can't find any which offer anything faster than Gigabit ports (and none offer port aggregation) for our wired networks....which has been available for about 20 years now.

 

 

 

Is it pretty much a given that if you want to run 2.5/5/10 Gigabit local networks you are going to have to go with a separate switch for your network and use your broadband router just for Wifi and to connect to your internet?  I know the cost of 10Gig hasn't come down much and most people are probably concerned about maximising their beam-formed wi-fi speeds and range for wireless devices - I'm just a little surprised that some of the most-expensive gaming routers haven't made the jump past gigabit yet....as it is convenient to just have the one device.


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  #2434140 7-Mar-2020 12:38
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If you care about your lan performance you shouldn't be buying an all in one box with pointless gaming features that are aimed at countries with terrible internet connections that have problems with upstream choking up. The only worthwhile things that these routers offer when you are on 1000/500 is that they will block distant crappy servers and stuff, but people that still have time for gaming tell me there are software solutions for that anyway.





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  #2434186 7-Mar-2020 13:24
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the device offered from chorus is an ONT+router, you dont need another device for your network to connect to. its then up to you to provision your network how you want to achieve 10gigabit speeds if thats what you need locally


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  #2434215 7-Mar-2020 13:54
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NBASE-T and MGBASE-T are both still really making their way into routers, switches etc.

 

the most common place i've seen it in in wireless access points. otherwise the classic rule of 10x bandwidth still follows quite true.





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  #2434238 7-Mar-2020 14:35
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Jase2985:

 

the device offered from chorus is an ONT+router, you dont need another device for your network to connect to. its then up to you to provision your network how you want to achieve 10gigabit speeds if thats what you need locally

 

 

You need something if you want vlans and other cool things rather than a basic single flat network NATed to the internet with vague rules you have no control over.





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  #2434240 7-Mar-2020 14:48
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Jase2985:

 

the device offered from chorus is an ONT+router, you dont need another device for your network to connect to. its then up to you to provision your network how you want to achieve 10gigabit speeds if thats what you need locally

 

 

there are other LFC's out there, and not all of them will be offering an ONT that can be a RGW. so it gets slightly more complex in some places.





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  #2434242 7-Mar-2020 14:51
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Why not just build your own? A PC with a dual 10GB NIC running Untangle or pfsense would be more than fast enough, and provide the features such as VLAN, IDS, IPS, etc.

Or if you want to save $$, just go for 2.5GB NIC's and Ethernet cables.


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  #2434246 7-Mar-2020 15:02
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Certainly using your old desktop would give you access to tons of PCI-E network cards that would serve the purpose.  I've never put a power meter on it before, but I specifically moved to a NAS as opposed to pc-based always-on server because I felt it was using less electricity, less noise, and less space.




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  #2434293 7-Mar-2020 15:28
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timbosan:

Why not just build your own? A PC with a dual 10GB NIC running Untangle or pfsense would be more than fast enough, and provide the features such as VLAN, IDS, IPS, etc.

Or if you want to save $$, just go for 2.5GB NIC's and Ethernet cables.



Just remember many of those platforms handle pppoe with a single thread.




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  #2434334 7-Mar-2020 19:11
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I'm going to put this out there.

 

I've been asked by Asus, Netgear, TP-Link and Linksys to do reviews on their top routers multiple times and yet none have sent me any. All of them pulled out.

 

Basic reason? As soon as they noted I was technical and was going to do proper non-bias tests on them they stopped talking to me.

 

Consumer grade routers are a total rip-off. They don't actually perform too well from all testing I've done, are often riddled with buggy firmware and any router that promotes "gaming" is just snakeoil.

 

If you want 10Gbit you get something like a Ubiquiti Dream Machine Pro. You don't get a consumer grade router.





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  #2434338 7-Mar-2020 19:29
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Anybody know how many ports the chorus combined ont/router has, and if they are sfp+ or 10g ethernet?

hio77:
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Why not just build your own? A PC with a dual 10GB NIC running Untangle or pfsense would be more than fast enough, and provide the features such as VLAN, IDS, IPS, etc.

Or if you want to save $$, just go for 2.5GB NIC's and Ethernet cables.



Just remember many of those platforms handle pppoe with a single thread.


Hopefully ISP's aren't doing pppoe on their plans above gig...

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  #2434340 7-Mar-2020 19:32
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1x copper 10ge and 3 copper gig when in rgw mode.

There are definate gains and losses to pppoe.




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  #2434377 8-Mar-2020 00:59
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What price range are you thinking of?  The Edgerouter Infinity is the lowest price 10 Gbit/s router I have run across, but it is not cheap:

 

https://www.ui.com/edgemax/edgerouter-infinity/

 

https://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?itemID=448675


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  #2434378 8-Mar-2020 01:12
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I'd certainly like to spend less than $2800 on the router...


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  #2434381 8-Mar-2020 01:35
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@fe31nz The Dream Machine Pro does 10Gbit and is "cheap" - https://gowifi.co.nz/nonpoe/udm-pro.html

 

You'll however need a 10Gbit switch and SFP+ modules.





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  #2434384 8-Mar-2020 07:15
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Mikrotik RB4011 is probably the cheapest 10Gbps capable router out there...But the discussion is moot anyway since there isn't (currently) a 10Gbps SFP+ option for Hyperfibre and Chorus provide the router for you.

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