ISPs and VLAN 10

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Brend

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#311846 20-Feb-2024 09:36

Hi. I have been running a pfSense setup for some time now and used the VLAN 10 setup for WAN as suggested by my (3 over the years) ISPs. But why? Can I set up my WAN without VLAN 10. Admittedly, I have not tried to change the settings in my router as I don't want to battle with downtime and don't have the time right now to sus it out. My connection currently is ONT -> pfSense -> Wifi APs

danfaulknor

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#3197788 20-Feb-2024 09:46

If your ISP has selected a tagged service, you have to use VLAN 10. It won't work without it. ISPs can pick.

The reason for the VLAN tagging is so that Class of Service can be applied to access the high class traffic that most UFB services have available, for things like VoIP. They are part of the VLAN header, so it doesn't work without a VLAN

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#3197792 20-Feb-2024 10:07

Tagged UNI is for the reasons outlined above by Dan and is defined in the offer when the connection is ordered.

Most RSPs stick to their standard tagged/untagged to make support easier, imagine being Spark or OneNZ and having to support Tagged or Untagged UNI

Home users don't want it but corporates with a PABX do.

2degrees are in a pickle right now because they took over My Republic who had untagged UNI - Someone on here was trying to follow the instructions on the 2degrees website to setup a router and it didn't work. https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=311535 I suggested that the OP of that thread ask 2degrees to turn on Tagged UNI so support is easier.

Us smaller folk will do what you ask, but larger players want to keep standards the same.

As for PFsense it's been a long time since I used it but when I did, I was using VMware and did the VLAN tagging on the ESXi Host level.

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Brend

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#3197881 20-Feb-2024 13:06

danfaulknor:

If your ISP has selected a tagged service, you have to use VLAN 10. It won't work without it. ISPs can pick.

The reason for the VLAN tagging is so that Class of Service can be applied to access the high class traffic that most UFB services have available, for things like VoIP. They are part of the VLAN header, so it doesn't work without a VLAN

nztim:

Tagged UNI is for the reasons outlined above by Dan and is defined in the offer when the connection is ordered.

Most RSPs stick to their standard tagged/untagged to make support easier, imagine being Spark or OneNZ and having to support Tagged or Untagged UNI

Home users don't want it but corporates with a PABX do.

2degrees are in a pickle right now because they took over My Republic who had untagged UNI - Someone on here was trying to follow the instructions on the 2degrees website to setup a router and it didn't work. https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=311535 I suggested that the OP of that thread ask 2degrees to turn on Tagged UNI so support is easier.

Us smaller folk will do what you ask, but larger players want to keep standards the same.

As for PFsense it's been a long time since I used it but when I did, I was using VMware and did the VLAN tagging on the ESXi Host level.

Thanks guys. Glad I didn't waste time to explore WAN without VLAN

muppet

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#3197892 20-Feb-2024 13:40

Sometimes just to fsck with my ISP I set VLAN 11.

HA! SUCK IT!

My service doesn't work but I still feel like I'm making them suffer.