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#20863 8-Apr-2008 10:25
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Freeview says the Government should force Sky TV to make its free-to-air channel Prime available on Freeview.

Mr Browning says this would increase the uptake of Freeview HD and hasten the transition from analogue to digital TV.

Why Prime is off the menu is the biggest question Freeview gets asked by consumers, he says. Such "must offer" rules are often imposed on commercial broadcasters overseas, he says.

Sky TV spokesman Tony O'Brien says Sky fully intends making Prime available on Freeview HD, and in high- definition format, but only when viewer numbers justify the investment. He estimates the cost at about $2.2 million. Sky "would do it tomorrow" if the Government met all the costs.

"We have already got Prime delivered by satellite and UHF. It is uneconomical for us to spend money on a third network at this stage. We are waiting to see the viewership grow on [Freeview HD] and when it is at a sufficient level of course we are going to have Prime there."

Mr Browning says it might not be unfair for Sky TV to get the same government subsidies paid to free-to-air channels to help meet some of the costs it incurred making Prime available on digital.

The subsidies were offered to Sky, but it refused them when Freeview was created. They did not meet broadcasters' costs in full.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/4468193a28.html

At least sky are saying that they will definitely have prime on hd service in the future now the only question is when will the hd service uptake be high enough for them to bother?

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  #122044 8-Apr-2008 10:54
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Isnt this a bit of chicken/egg?

If Prime was on Freeview (T or S) Im sure the uptake would be even better!

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  #122058 8-Apr-2008 11:37
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I don't really think it is a case of the chicken vs the egg. By not being on Freeview Prime are the ones limiting their viewerbase. it's not Freeview missing out, it's Prime. I'm sure the existing FTA channels on Freeview couldn't really care less about Prime not being there, it's one less viewing choice for the end customer which means more viewers for them! :-)

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  #122066 8-Apr-2008 12:03
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Totally agree with that, it is Primes loss.

I wonder how their advertisers feel about the lost opportunities. Surely if Prime was on Freeview they could flog their gear to more folk. Prime should just pull their finger out and do it.

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  #122101 8-Apr-2008 13:26
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I agree with you guys too, it is Sky's loss.

But perhaps Sky think that they have got a number of extra subscribers because people can't receive Prime by any other means?  I think not...

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  #122119 8-Apr-2008 14:10
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Satch: I agree with you guys too, it is Sky's loss.

But perhaps Sky think that they have got a number of extra subscribers because people can't receive Prime by any other means?  I think not...


Considering Sky are finding it extremely difficult to hold on to existing subscribers and also finding it very difficult to sign up new customers (look at the current free install deals) I don't think that has any merit either!

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  #122122 8-Apr-2008 14:18
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Indeed, the only thing keeping me on Sky is Cartoons for the kids.

However, I was pleasantly surprised to see Number Jacks on TV6 over the weekend at a friends who has Freeview!

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  #122190 8-Apr-2008 20:01
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I can't quite follow Sky's argument about it costing extra to broadcast Prime FTA over DVB-S. Terrestrial yes, but does it cost them more to transmit Prime as FTA over satellite than it does encoded? Why can't they just turn off the encoding on the existing non-FTA Prime service?



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  #122203 8-Apr-2008 21:12
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Have they ever stated an extra cost issue on DVb-S, I dont think I have seen them state that, because as you say its pretty much only a matter of turning off encryption, however they do have an issue with sports program rights and the coverage (read part of the pacific Is) that compromise their contracts with various sporting bodies. The Optus D1 NZ spot beam does spill enough to cause in this regard.

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  #122208 8-Apr-2008 21:31
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Yes, Sky need to get on the bus with everyone else, for terrestrial DVB at least, though where they need to spend the $$$ is on the link - in a prime Prime (!) reception area - West Auckland, line of sight to Waiatarua, the picture is same as dull MPEGgy rubbish out of a satellite Sky box. Maybe they just set one of those up in transmission room and plugged it into modulator & transmitter gear at foot of tower... Top Gear in HD would be all good!
Some persuasion to get a Freeview box then, apart from the odd show on Mediaworks TV3/C4, there isn't much material suggesting I that need go DVB-T HD yet.

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  #122209 8-Apr-2008 21:34
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   I know we would love a perfect outcome but I have to say, it is a 2 way street. TVNZ it appears have the right to refuse Sky to TVNZ 6&7 as they own the content (even though I pay my share, even though I am refused from receiving it, without buying another decoder that does the same as my Sky one). So Sky own the right to broadcast on any platform they chose. The government offered TVNZ, Mediaworks and Radio NZ also Trackside for that matter were offered discounted entry, Prime on the other hand was offered to be part of the platform, no subsidies. If Sky was to be offered the same terms I am sure they would join. The problem stems from Freeview thinking they are a alternative rather than the means for Broadcasters to broadcast Digital signals. Freeview should be for everyone not anyone who pays Freeview NZ enough with the help of Government rebates. Sky has indicated they would join if the price was lower, why are we no asking the Government to give Prime the same terms?




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  #122226 9-Apr-2008 00:06
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cyril7: Have they ever stated an extra cost issue on DVb-S, I dont think I have seen them state that, because as you say its pretty much only a matter of turning off encryption, however they do have an issue with sports program rights and the coverage (read part of the pacific Is) that compromise their contracts with various sporting bodies. The Optus D1 NZ spot beam does spill enough to cause in this regard.

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Maybe I read too much into it, but my comment was based on the statement in the first post of this thread:

"We have already got Prime delivered by satellite and UHF. It is uneconomical for us to spend money on a third network at this stage"

which to me implied that cost was one of their main issues.

Presuming you are no doubt right about the sports program contracts issue, is it fair to summarize SKY's position as being that :-

* spillover of sports program rights etc into areas that conflict with their contracts is what stops them from broadcasting Prime FTA over DVB-S,

*  cost  is what stops them broadcasting Prime FTA over DVB-T (the sports rights not being an issue for terrestrial).

Could they not overcome the DVB-S issue by encrypting (or simply just not broadcasting) just the programs that do cause a contractual problem?

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  #122240 9-Apr-2008 07:33
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DS9: The government offered TVNZ, Mediaworks and Radio NZ also Trackside for that matter were offered discounted entry, Prime on the other hand was offered to be part of the platform, no subsidies. If Sky was to be offered the same terms I am sure they would join. The problem stems from Freeview thinking they are a alternative rather than the means for Broadcasters to broadcast Digital signals. Freeview should be for everyone not anyone who pays Freeview NZ enough with the help of Government rebates. Sky has indicated they would join if the price was lower, why are we no asking the Government to give Prime the same terms?


Sky were offered a subsidy (along with all other broadcasters) to launch Prime on Freeview but turned it down. The Stuff story quite clearly explains this.

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   Yes though got the info from this news conference were the broadcasting minister states that freeview is a consortium of TVNZ, Mediaworks, Trackside and Radio NZ duing the exchanges it is brought up by Steve Mahary as he asks John Fellet if Prime will be joining the platform, not once is it brought up that prime will join the consortium. Here is the link for the video of the TVNZ Digital section http://digital.tvnz.co.nz/. When I watched it I knew then Prime would not be on at lauch because of the distinction of Freeview consortium (who get the subsidies) and Prime joining the platform.




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  #122264 9-Apr-2008 10:20
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DS9: Hi,


Yes though got the info from this news conference were the broadcasting minister states that freeview is a consortium of TVNZ, Mediaworks, Trackside and Radio NZ duing the exchanges it is brought up by Steve Mahary as he asks John Fellet if Prime will be joining the platform, not once is it brought up that prime will join the consortium. Here is the link for the video of the TVNZ Digital section http://digital.tvnz.co.nz/. When I watched it I knew then Prime would not be on at lauch because of the distinction of Freeview consortium (who get the subsidies) and Prime joining the platform.


Prime were a part of the consortium until they were bought by Sky, and then pulled out.





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  #122285 9-Apr-2008 11:34
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Yep, it's a money thing (in my opinion anyway). I think they believe that can attract users to Sky, so they can watch Prime. The excuse about Australia being able to pick up sports broadcasts is nonsense. They only need to encrypt the signal or play infomercials during such a time this is supposedly a problem.

As for me, I watch little Prime, as I get a bad picture. Once I go Freeview, I'll be watching zero Prime.




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