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#35276 7-Jun-2009 23:59
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Right now on DTT, TV2 are playing the film Femme Fatal which is a 4:3 master.
Normally this would be a perfectly sufferable fact of life, but those boffins at TVNZ have found a way to make it a whole lot worse. They've decided to zoom it out to 16:9!

The first ad break finished and I was presented with short fat people (oops, the chimp in the control room was too busy peeling his banana and missed the big red flashing button!)
Before my eyes, I saw the aspect ratio undergo a manual adjustment and the screen stretched vertically to put everyone back into shape (and take half the vertical picture with it).

Most of the time this would mostly go unnoticed, but this particular film has some subtitles, which of course got dramatically cropped. So then I witnessed yet another aspect ratio change, this time zoomed in a fraction to give slight pillar boxing around on the left and right sides and so the subs would be less...missing?

As this pic will illustration (keep inmind that this is the entire raster and not what most people with overscanning will be able to see without further crop).

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/faranheit/TV2Crop.jpg


Now I can appreciate that there is a whole lot of old 4:3 material still out there (and some new), but this is not the way to deal with it. If you have to use 4:3 material, play it as is.
If I want to zoom it out, I'll do it my-damn-self.
Muppets.


P.S. Fortunately its not an unmissable film, but thats even more reason for them not to try and attempt to polish a turd.

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  #222568 8-Jun-2009 06:45
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Looks like a 14:9 zoom to me.

I don't actually watch mutch on TVNZ so I don't know if it's still common but certainly last year it was very common for TVNZ to perform a 14:9 zoom on all 4:3 material rather than transmit it as 4:3

They used to do this to Coronation Street, 5th Gear, Torchwood (1st series that they had in 4:3) and most news content that they had sourced in 4:3.


 
 
 

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  #222572 8-Jun-2009 07:31
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and most news content that they had sourced in 4:3.





They still do the news content scaling. Look at Breakfast, some stuff from today in history is in 16:9 when it is certanley is ment to be in 4:3(just look at the ages of those clips). TV3 dosent really do this and I am happy for that.




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  #222575 8-Jun-2009 07:53
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naggyman:
and most news content that they had sourced in 4:3.





They still do the news content scaling. Look at Breakfast, some stuff from today in history is in 16:9 when it is certanley is ment to be in 4:3(just look at the ages of those clips). TV3 dosent really do this and I am happy for that.


You mean 16:9 or 14:9? I've never seen TVNZ display 4:3 content in 16:9 fatovision. 14:9 is not uncommon overseas as broadcasters use it as a compromise to try and minimise the complains from people who don't understand why old content doesn't fill the whole screen.




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  #222581 8-Jun-2009 08:22
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I get really peed of with the networks in NZ including Sky showing a 2.35:1 movies zoomed in to 16:9 ending up with the sides cutoff and oversized titles and credits..




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  #222595 8-Jun-2009 09:37
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That still was taken after they finally settled it. The first 10mins was full zoom to 16:9 which I didn't pick up on since I've never seen the film before (although it was obviously looking a bit soft thanks to the zooming). The subtitles in that portion were completely out of frame.

Just look at how messed up that subtitle is in the still. Thats not an interlacing artifact.

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  #222605 8-Jun-2009 10:15
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fahrenheit: That still was taken after they finally settled it. The first 10mins was full zoom to 16:9 which I didn't pick up on since I've never seen the film before (although it was obviously looking a bit soft thanks to the zooming). The subtitles in that portion were completely out of frame.



Just look at how messed up that subtitle is in the still. Thats not an interlacing artifact.



The artifacts on the text are probably just a result of the 14:9 zoom. The pircture certainly looks like it has the correct aspect ratio to me.

There have been a few cases in the past of shows temporarily being show in the wrong aspect ratio, I suspect this is just another case of that. They should just stick to what V3 do and run 4:3 content as 4:3 rather than trying for 14:9






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  #222608 8-Jun-2009 10:34
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Absolutely. Any footage they have that is 4:3 is going to be SD, so its going to suffer heavily with this sort of treatment.
Someone should tell TVNZ that upscaling to 720p doesn't give you a license to scale the frame to hell and back. Garbage in, garbage out.

And yes, the artifacts on the subtitle are a direct result of the zoom. Thought I was stating the obvious there by saying thats "not" an interlacing artifact.
Yes the aspect ratio is correct in that frame (and for the remaining portion of the film), it was only after the first ad break that the picture was squashed, but that only lasted for around 3 minutes before they fiddled it again.

I didn't start recording till they had finally settled on the framing you see in the example provided.



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  #222644 8-Jun-2009 12:32
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Must have been the geeks day off.

Movie right after it was in squash-mode. Black bars top/bottom and all

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