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  Reply # 1102348 5-Aug-2014 09:15
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freitasm:
insane: Is it really blowing up in their face, or just on GZ?


People who have SKY probably don't need/want anything else and don't bother with this "war of words".



Hmm, I agree.  I have sky, yes its expensive but I am not going to get rid of it.  I like watching live sport and its my best option.  I think its on the nose by sky, but not very bothered by the storm.

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  Reply # 1102349 5-Aug-2014 09:15
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kiwitrc:
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lokhor: I feel sorry for the poor saps who don't know better than to pay for SKY. 


So tell me what I'm supposed to be doing in order to watch all the sport that I do?


Stream it. I'm yet to see something on Sky that cant be streamed...... not that ive seen much Sky lately ;)

NRL was the only reason my wife had Sky when i met her, but now she can stream it from the NRL site or one of the dozens of streaming sports sites out there, for hell of a lot less than Sky are charging.



NRL is the only reason I have sky, whats the quality of the streaming like?



She went on a trial of the NRL site and was fine, but shes been just as happy with a free stream she found which hasnt been too bad sound and video wise.




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  Reply # 1102352 5-Aug-2014 09:18
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dclegg:
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All the streaming services I have seen all have one thing in common, terrible visual quality and very average sound. It maybe an alternative but only just.


It is possible to have great streaming services. We primarily watch NetFlix and Hulu now, and when our Internet connection behaves (which it mostly does), it is indistinguishable from traditional terrestrial or satellite TV broadcast.

We're also participating in the Lightbox beta, and that has pretty good visual quality. Its not quite on par with what we see with NetFlix and Hulu, as it tends to drop frames, causing the picture to stutter a little. But its still very watchable, and is the best PQ we've seen with any non-geoblocked NZ SVOD service. And its still in beta, so this could improve by the time it launches.  


Except we are talking about sport and NRL in particular here, not TV shows.


Fair enough. 

This is one area where Sky still has people over a barrel. Thankfully for me, I found I was generally recording most of my rugby watching, so it wasn't too painful to ditch Sky Sports and rely on the Prime rugby coverage. It does mean there are quite a few matches I do miss out on, but I just can't justify the exorbitant rates that Sky charge for their sports package

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  Reply # 1102360 5-Aug-2014 09:36
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freitasm: I like to compare this to real world stuff: imagine Whitcoulls complaining that buying a book in the USA and bringing it with you breaches their rights to resell the book in New Zealand? Or Imagine if Whitcoulls complains that buying a book via Amazon breaches their rights to resell the book in New Zealand?



Didn't they try that when Borders Books setup here about 20 years ago   and imported their books directly from the US  under cutting Whitcoulls by about 50%




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  Reply # 1102362 5-Aug-2014 09:48
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kiwitrc:
dclegg:
KiwiNZ: 

All the streaming services I have seen all have one thing in common, terrible visual quality and very average sound. It maybe an alternative but only just.


It is possible to have great streaming services. We primarily watch NetFlix and Hulu now, and when our Internet connection behaves (which it mostly does), it is indistinguishable from traditional terrestrial or satellite TV broadcast.

We're also participating in the Lightbox beta, and that has pretty good visual quality. Its not quite on par with what we see with NetFlix and Hulu, as it tends to drop frames, causing the picture to stutter a little. But its still very watchable, and is the best PQ we've seen with any non-geoblocked NZ SVOD service. And its still in beta, so this could improve by the time it launches.  


Except we are talking about sport and NRL in particular here, not TV shows.


Fair enough. 

This is one area where Sky still has people over a barrel. Thankfully for me, I found I was generally recording most of my rugby watching, so it wasn't too painful to ditch Sky Sports and rely on the Prime rugby coverage. It does mean there are quite a few matches I do miss out on, but I just can't justify the exorbitant rates that Sky charge for their sports package


Sky don't have anyone over a barrel, there are just too many people who play into their hands - if people walked away in droves - we'd soon see changes, real changes...

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Sky don't have anyone over a barrel, there are just too many people who play into their hands - if people walked away in droves - we'd soon see changes, real changes...


They do insomuch as there isn't a viable alternative for the vast majority of the NZ rugby/league watching public if they want to see their All Black, Super Rugby, ITM Cup, and NRL games live.


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  Reply # 1102391 5-Aug-2014 10:00
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Sky don't have anyone over a barrel, there are just too many people who play into their hands - if people walked away in droves - we'd soon see changes, real changes...


They do insomuch as there isn't a viable alternative for the vast majority of the NZ rugby/league watching public if they want to see their All Black, Super Rugby, ITM Cup, and NRL games live.



There is delayed coverage on Prime (mostly) and although not live - it would be enough of a shake up for them if people started opting for that.
I was a fan of the Cricket - but simply not prepared to pay them for the pleasure... I've not died from withdrawal...



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  Reply # 1102394 5-Aug-2014 10:03
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i have Sky only for the sports, and i dont watch Rugby but it's the only place where i can watch ESPN and it's on that channel mainly all the time. i have Netflix for movies because $10 a month is cheaper than $20 on Sky. I have tried streaming sport but it cant beat the HD experience that sky has, in fact i wont watch sport unless it is in full HD . 




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dclegg:
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Sky don't have anyone over a barrel, there are just too many people who play into their hands - if people walked away in droves - we'd soon see changes, real changes...


They do insomuch as there isn't a viable alternative for the vast majority of the NZ rugby/league watching public if they want to see their All Black, Super Rugby, ITM Cup, and NRL games live.



There is delayed coverage on Prime (mostly) and although not live - it would be enough of a shake up for them if people started opting for that.
I was a fan of the Cricket - but simply not prepared to pay them for the pleasure... I've not died from withdrawal...




I'm aware of that. In fact that's what I use now that I know exactly how expensive my Sky Sport habit used to be :-)

But I'd be willing to bet that there are far too many Kiwis who love their live sports enough to not want that option. And currently Sky is the only game in town in the vast majority of cases.

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  Reply # 1102398 5-Aug-2014 10:04
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vexxxboy: i have Sky only for the sports, and i dont watch Rugby but it's the only place where i can watch ESPN and it's on that channel mainly all the time. i have Netflix for movies because $10 a month is cheaper than $20 on Sky. I have tried streaming sport but it cant beat the HD experience that sky has, in fact i wont watch sport unless it is in full HD . 


There is an ESPN app on our Apple TV, but I've not looked into it much. Are there sports in particular you're interested in? I can take it for a spin and see if would cater to your needs.

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  Reply # 1102399 5-Aug-2014 10:06
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I wonder if TVNZ and MediaWorks will also ban these ads??




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  Reply # 1102404 5-Aug-2014 10:11
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Sky is the only option if you are a sports fan. 

It is well known that the other non sport packages help subsidize the sports cost.

A lot of Countries legislate that major sports events from major national teams remain free to air. I would almost vote for a politcal party that promises that.

We will see Sky taking more and more desperate measures over the next few years as technology makes watching live television more and more obsolete. As someone said in an earlier post Sky just rips its customers off.....still only a handful of HD content after all this time...its uter rubbish considering you pay extra/month to watch HD.

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  Reply # 1102416 5-Aug-2014 10:35
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kiwitrc:
xpd:
Kingy:
lokhor: I feel sorry for the poor saps who don't know better than to pay for SKY. 


So tell me what I'm supposed to be doing in order to watch all the sport that I do?


Stream it. I'm yet to see something on Sky that cant be streamed...... not that ive seen much Sky lately ;)

NRL was the only reason my wife had Sky when i met her, but now she can stream it from the NRL site or one of the dozens of streaming sports sites out there, for hell of a lot less than Sky are charging.



NRL is the only reason I have sky, whats the quality of the streaming like?



it is pretty decent on here http://new.livestream.com/nrl you need to bypass the geoblock, unotelly is able to do this. there is also an iOS which you can airplay to an apple tv if you have one.

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  Reply # 1102427 5-Aug-2014 10:47
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NonprayingMantis:
it would be based on the size of the market, not subscriber numbers.  Otherwise one could startup your own streaming business and get all content for virtually nothing by way of having no subscribers.  


There is a very good reason that the rights holders have these separate region deals - it makes them more money.  Anybody undermining the regional deals means they make less money. If you think they make more money by letting Netflix sell globally you are just plain wrong. If they did, they wouldn't even be placing the geoblocking restriction on Netflix in the first place!

Up until now, the numbers using Netflix outside the regions have been so small as to not be worth chasing.
But with major ISPs promoting it (slingshot is third largest in NZ), you can bet your bottom dollar that they will start coming down on them.

And if they let slingshot get away with it in NZ, how long before iiNet do it in the states, or even other countries?
I'm pretty sure Sky UK, owned by the giant Newscorp, would be pretty miffed if other ISPs in the UK started promoting access to the vastly superior US netflix instead of the pretty average UK netflix, and taking $$$ away from Sky UK who has to pay big bucks to the studios for the exclusive content rights to stop UK Netflix having it.

I would be very surprised if global mode lasts more than 6 months now it is being promoted heavily above the line.

Can't you see how you're contradicting yourself?  You say licensing costs are based on market size, not subscriber numbers, then you say that the rights holders lose money if consumers circumvent the regional restrictions?  Only one of these statements can be true!

OK, explain to me, if Sky NZ pay X dollars for a market size of A, and Netflix US pays Y dollars for a market size of B, what difference does it make to the rights holder if one, 100 or 1000 customers switch from Sky to Netflix?

This is purely SkyNZ protecting their cosy little monopoly.  Well, news-flash Sky, the internet doesn't respect cosy geograpical monopolies.  You might need to become competitive

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  Reply # 1102429 5-Aug-2014 10:51
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mattbush: Sky is the only option if you are a sports fan. 

It is well known that the other non sport packages help subsidize the sports cost.

A lot of Countries legislate that major sports events from major national teams remain free to air. I would almost vote for a politcal party that promises that.

We will see Sky taking more and more desperate measures over the next few years as technology makes watching live television more and more obsolete. As someone said in an earlier post Sky just rips its customers off.....still only a handful of HD content after all this time...its uter rubbish considering you pay extra/month to watch HD.


While I agree with your sentiments the difficulty comes as to what constitutes a national team and a major sporting event. That is very difficult to legislate prescriptively. Although if sufficiently wooly enough, along the lines that current statutes use 'in the spirit of the treaty' then it could appear the politicians have done something with enough wriggle room to ensure nothing really changes. It's like a law that says the sky is pink (which it is, if viewed through rose tinted glasses).

Anyway, Sky can legitimately claim to provide the coverage you want to legislate by way of their delayed coverage on Prime.

As for the topic, perhaps SkyTV should negotiate a reduction in the price of the exclusive regional broadcast rights if there are organisations intruding on their patch. As far as advertising is concerned, they are a private company and as such can accept or refuse as they please. Unless of course they have an advertising contract with Slingshot that allows any content to be aired. I very much doubt that is the case. But what a master stroke by Slingshot to publicise their global service without paying a penny to SkyTV.




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