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  # 1594759 18-Jul-2016 23:11
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sherlock:

 

SeymourScagnetti:

We will definitely be doing more of this type of thing. We did a special pass earlier in the year (about 3 weeks duration) around the ASB Classic and Australian Open for the tennis which proved popular so there will be more to come.

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Alex

 

If this is the case, then why no Formula 1 pass?!  I paid $$$ last year for this and as mentioned earlier in the thread, would gladly pay $$$$ for it again this year but you've not given me the option.  Which means you're missing out on my cash, and I'm missing out on Formula 1 - so we both lose!  Surely there's something you can do here - especially as you had it working perfectly last year - so there's no technical barrier, only political I assume.

 

 

Or Bernie. Might be a case of shooting the messenger. If Sky could flick F1 to Fanpass at prices that suit you, or me, they probably would. Offer the service, being in the revenue. Fact is Sky has nothing to do with F1. Its like a dairy has nothing to do with Moro bars, they just sell them at the prices the Moro bar owner wants.  


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  # 1594770 18-Jul-2016 23:20
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tdgeek:

 

sherlock:

 

SeymourScagnetti:

We will definitely be doing more of this type of thing. We did a special pass earlier in the year (about 3 weeks duration) around the ASB Classic and Australian Open for the tennis which proved popular so there will be more to come.

Cheers
Alex

 

If this is the case, then why no Formula 1 pass?!  I paid $$$ last year for this and as mentioned earlier in the thread, would gladly pay $$$$ for it again this year but you've not given me the option.  Which means you're missing out on my cash, and I'm missing out on Formula 1 - so we both lose!  Surely there's something you can do here - especially as you had it working perfectly last year - so there's no technical barrier, only political I assume.

 

 

Or Bernie. Might be a case of shooting the messenger. If Sky could flick F1 to Fanpass at prices that suit you, or me, they probably would. Offer the service, being in the revenue. Fact is Sky has nothing to do with F1. Its like a dairy has nothing to do with Moro bars, they just sell them at the prices the Moro bar owner wants.  

 

 

Actually they do they hold the rights for it in NZ. Last year they had an F1 pass (and Super Rugby & NRL) where you paid a set value (say $400) and got access to it all season and that was it. The great thing is it was also on demand, meaning if you weren't able to see it live you could watch it at another time that suits you (days later if you want).

 

I accept that Sky is running a business, but as someone who only purchases passes in that model (NHL.TV and Premier League Pass) they are missing revenue from me. The platform can handle it, Sky just choose to forego revenue and as a result I get my fix elsewhere.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1594779 18-Jul-2016 23:31
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voy1d:

 

tdgeek:

 

sherlock:

 

SeymourScagnetti:

We will definitely be doing more of this type of thing. We did a special pass earlier in the year (about 3 weeks duration) around the ASB Classic and Australian Open for the tennis which proved popular so there will be more to come.

Cheers
Alex

 

If this is the case, then why no Formula 1 pass?!  I paid $$$ last year for this and as mentioned earlier in the thread, would gladly pay $$$$ for it again this year but you've not given me the option.  Which means you're missing out on my cash, and I'm missing out on Formula 1 - so we both lose!  Surely there's something you can do here - especially as you had it working perfectly last year - so there's no technical barrier, only political I assume.

 

 

Or Bernie. Might be a case of shooting the messenger. If Sky could flick F1 to Fanpass at prices that suit you, or me, they probably would. Offer the service, being in the revenue. Fact is Sky has nothing to do with F1. Its like a dairy has nothing to do with Moro bars, they just sell them at the prices the Moro bar owner wants.  

 

 

Actually they do they hold the rights for it in NZ. Last year they had an F1 pass (and Super Rugby & NRL) where you paid a set value (say $400) and got access to it all season and that was it. The great thing is it was also on demand, meaning if you weren't able to see it live you could watch it at another time that suits you (days later if you want).

 

I accept that Sky is running a business, but as someone who only purchases passes in that model (NHL.TV and Premier League Pass) they are missing revenue from me. The platform can handle it, Sky just choose to forego revenue and as a result I get my fix elsewhere.

 

 

 

 

Sky clearly doesnt own the rights now for that transmission. If they did, they would garner that revenue. They could buy those extra rights. is that worth it for them? Clearly it isn't. F1 is just one sport, what about all the others? This country just broke the 4.7 million population, the market is extremely limited. Now, if they did, then everyone would complain that when I buy passes for my 5 sports, its more than Sky Sports, rant rant rant. Some say that about Fanpass. Its too expensive. No it isn't, its what it costs, Sport isn't the $26 they bill you for the sub if you have Sky Basic. Often it all comes down to what many on here repeat. Everyone wants everything for nix. 


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  # 1594806 18-Jul-2016 23:57
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Sky clearly doesnt own the rights now for that transmission. If they did, they would garner that revenue. They could buy those extra rights. is that worth it for them? Clearly it isn't. F1 is just one sport, what about all the others? This country just broke the 4.7 million population, the market is extremely limited. Now, if they did, then everyone would complain that when I buy passes for my 5 sports, its more than Sky Sports, rant rant rant. Some say that about Fanpass. Its too expensive. No it isn't, its what it costs, Sport isn't the $26 they bill you for the sub if you have Sky Basic. Often it all comes down to what many on here repeat. Everyone wants everything for nix. 

 

 

Uh, I'm pretty sure Sky hold the rights for Formula 1 in New Zealand given they advertise it on their TV search.

 

I also know how the rights are structured in New Zealand and how Sky works everything out, I do think you are missing the point that is being made. The current Fanpass model is literally a stream from SS1 - 4, where as last year you could pay $400 for Super Rugby for the season, $300 for NRL and I think $400 for F1.

 

And that is all you got, nothing else just those. It is doable under the current Fanpass platform (e.g I believe Neulion still run the platform for the NBA, NFL and MLB which literally is the same as I was talking about).

 

Now I know Sky has no intention of providing content in a way that I would like to consume (and that is their right - because it is likely not financially viable) then that is that.


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  # 1594814 19-Jul-2016 07:10
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For some reason sky is not offering on demand via Fanpass. Is this the technical reason?
The fact that it costs to much to be worth while at the moment?

I agree that they are missing revenue from me. I would have spent more with them overall if i could have got a season highlanders pass. I still used fanpass but ended up watching it elsewhere at times.

Maybe next year they'll offer it. Maybe not.

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  # 1594818 19-Jul-2016 07:25
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voy1d:

 

tdgeek:

 

Sky clearly doesnt own the rights now for that transmission. If they did, they would garner that revenue. They could buy those extra rights. is that worth it for them? Clearly it isn't. F1 is just one sport, what about all the others? This country just broke the 4.7 million population, the market is extremely limited. Now, if they did, then everyone would complain that when I buy passes for my 5 sports, its more than Sky Sports, rant rant rant. Some say that about Fanpass. Its too expensive. No it isn't, its what it costs, Sport isn't the $26 they bill you for the sub if you have Sky Basic. Often it all comes down to what many on here repeat. Everyone wants everything for nix. 

 

 

Uh, I'm pretty sure Sky hold the rights for Formula 1 in New Zealand given they advertise it on their TV search.

 

I also know how the rights are structured in New Zealand and how Sky works everything out, I do think you are missing the point that is being made. The current Fanpass model is literally a stream from SS1 - 4, where as last year you could pay $400 for Super Rugby for the season, $300 for NRL and I think $400 for F1.

 

And that is all you got, nothing else just those. It is doable under the current Fanpass platform (e.g I believe Neulion still run the platform for the NBA, NFL and MLB which literally is the same as I was talking about).

 

Now I know Sky has no intention of providing content in a way that I would like to consume (and that is their right - because it is likely not financially viable) then that is that.

 

 

Ok, tell us all how the F1 rights are structured for NZ. How much are they? How much extra to add extra rights for Fanpass capability? 

 

The question is, do you feel that Sky thinks, hey we can add more revenue, but no, lets not bother? Its a business, and like any business they want to add more revenue, so if they don't, it clearly is a cost issue. 

 

FP isn't just a SS1-4 stream, it has on demand. You can watch OD for content that started in the last 24 hours.

 

I assume that if they got extra rights for "passes", that will be a cost formula, and not a per subscriber formula, which in a  small country is likely to be difficult to recover costs, as there are over 800,000 Sky subscribers who can get get sport for $26 odd, and FanPass users, that leaves a small number of users. Theoretically what is left are not sport watchers. So the market for "pass" users will come from Fanpass and Sky subscribers.  


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  # 1594819 19-Jul-2016 07:27
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voy1d:

 

tdgeek:

 

Sky clearly doesnt own the rights now for that transmission. If they did, they would garner that revenue. They could buy those extra rights. is that worth it for them? Clearly it isn't. F1 is just one sport, what about all the others? This country just broke the 4.7 million population, the market is extremely limited. Now, if they did, then everyone would complain that when I buy passes for my 5 sports, its more than Sky Sports, rant rant rant. Some say that about Fanpass. Its too expensive. No it isn't, its what it costs, Sport isn't the $26 they bill you for the sub if you have Sky Basic. Often it all comes down to what many on here repeat. Everyone wants everything for nix. 

 

 

Uh, I'm pretty sure Sky hold the rights for Formula 1 in New Zealand given they advertise it on their TV search.

 

I also know how the rights are structured in New Zealand and how Sky works everything out, I do think you are missing the point that is being made. The current Fanpass model is literally a stream from SS1 - 4, where as last year you could pay $400 for Super Rugby for the season, $300 for NRL and I think $400 for F1.

 

And that is all you got, nothing else just those. It is doable under the current Fanpass platform (e.g I believe Neulion still run the platform for the NBA, NFL and MLB which literally is the same as I was talking about).

 

Now I know Sky has no intention of providing content in a way that I would like to consume (and that is their right - because it is likely not financially viable) then that is that.

 

 

No need for "uh". Off course they hold rights for F1 in NZ, we are talking about extra rights to make "passes" viable. 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1594821 19-Jul-2016 07:29
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KrazyKid: For some reason sky is not offering on demand via Fanpass. Is this the technical reason?
The fact that it costs to much to be worth while at the moment?

I agree that they are missing revenue from me. I would have spent more with them overall if i could have got a season highlanders pass. I still used fanpass but ended up watching it elsewhere at times.

Maybe next year they'll offer it. Maybe not.

 

As they make the move from satellite to perhaps full SVOD only, I am sure that there will be many new options in play, pun intended. right now they are stuck with a high cost t deliver model, not their fault. It runs out in a coupe of years. Lower costs = more ability to tailor options IMHO


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  # 1594906 19-Jul-2016 10:26
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sherlock:

 

SeymourScagnetti:

We will definitely be doing more of this type of thing. We did a special pass earlier in the year (about 3 weeks duration) around the ASB Classic and Australian Open for the tennis which proved popular so there will be more to come.

Cheers
Alex

 

If this is the case, then why no Formula 1 pass?!  I paid $$$ last year for this and as mentioned earlier in the thread, would gladly pay $$$$ for it again this year but you've not given me the option.  Which means you're missing out on my cash, and I'm missing out on Formula 1 - so we both lose!  Surely there's something you can do here - especially as you had it working perfectly last year - so there's no technical barrier, only political I assume.

 

 

Hi Sherlock, (and others discussing Formula 1)

 

Our decision at Fan Pass taken late last year to move away from the Season Pass model (F1, NRL and Super Rugby) to the Sky Sports 1-4 option was made for a variety of reasons but at it's heart it came down to overall demand and our aspirations to grow the service. These passes were a great option for subscribers who were genuinely only fans of a single sport and were quite happy to forgo interest in other sports. However, we quickly found that although there were good numbers of people who liked this model there were many more who actually like multiple sports and wanted to watch the best sports that SKY has available on any given weekend or week.

 

The new model has allowed us to offer all the best sports SKY has to offer on Sky Sports 1-4 rather than only F1, Super Rugby and NRL (and we are hopeful of adding the Pop-up channels in the future) meaning that sports like cycling, golf, netball, cricket, darts, Champions League and many others have been able to be seen by Fan Pass users. It was unfortunately not cost effective or practical to run both models simultaneously for a variety of reasons. I understand that this has meant some compromise to service for some users and that not everyone is completely happy - especially some F1 Fans (we do still show all Grand Prix live though). We would love to be able to offer all the features of both services and we may get back there as we continue to grow but in the meantime I hope you enjoy what we do have.

 

As we are growing we have been able to introduce new products and features and I am pleased to let you know that we have just launched Pay-Per-View on Fan Pass (web only at this stage) meaning that people without SKY can now buy online access to pay per view events such as the Joseph Parker fight this Thursday. This is another big milestone for Fan Pass in terms of giving people the option to view sport on their terms and without being tied to a long term contract.

 

Thanks

 

Alex

 

 


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  # 1595709 20-Jul-2016 16:12
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PPV now being offered on FanPass.  Same price as via the STB.  Hopefully a precursor to returning to other "Season Pass" offerings.  Hope is a fine thing.

 

 

 

"

 

 

LIVE EVENT

 

 

 

JOSEPH PARKER VS SOLOMON HAUMONO

 

Thursday, July 21, 2016|7:30PM NZST|Addington, Christchurch, Horncastle Arena

 

$39.95|Residential use only

 

BOOK NOW DETAILS

 

Fresh off his gruelling 12 round win Joseph Parker will face Australian Solomon Haumono in preparation for his IBF World Title fight, and in doing so, will put his IBF Title shot on the line. Parker needs big challenges and Haumono will pose a huge risk. *A replay of the event is available for viewing up to 14 days from the scheduled event. "

 

The replay being available on desktops only.  

 


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  # 1597002 22-Jul-2016 18:41
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SeymourScagnetti:

 

 

 

Hi Sherlock, (and others discussing Formula 1)

 

Our decision at Fan Pass taken late last year to move away from the Season Pass model (F1, NRL and Super Rugby) to the Sky Sports 1-4 option was made for a variety of reasons but at it's heart it came down to overall demand and our aspirations to grow the service. These passes were a great option for subscribers who were genuinely only fans of a single sport and were quite happy to forgo interest in other sports. However, we quickly found that although there were good numbers of people who liked this model there were many more who actually like multiple sports and wanted to watch the best sports that SKY has available on any given weekend or week.

 

The new model has allowed us to offer all the best sports SKY has to offer on Sky Sports 1-4 rather than only F1, Super Rugby and NRL (and we are hopeful of adding the Pop-up channels in the future) meaning that sports like cycling, golf, netball, cricket, darts, Champions League and many others have been able to be seen by Fan Pass users. It was unfortunately not cost effective or practical to run both models simultaneously for a variety of reasons. I understand that this has meant some compromise to service for some users and that not everyone is completely happy - especially some F1 Fans (we do still show all Grand Prix live though). We would love to be able to offer all the features of both services and we may get back there as we continue to grow but in the meantime I hope you enjoy what we do have.

 

As we are growing we have been able to introduce new products and features and I am pleased to let you know that we have just launched Pay-Per-View on Fan Pass (web only at this stage) meaning that people without SKY can now buy online access to pay per view events such as the Joseph Parker fight this Thursday. This is another big milestone for Fan Pass in terms of giving people the option to view sport on their terms and without being tied to a long term contract.

 

Thanks

 

Alex

 

 

Thanks very much for the explanation - it makes sense that you'd get more interest in Sky Sports 1-4 in general rather than just specific sports like F1.  It's a pity you can't offer both season pass style functionality AND streaming of Sky Sports 1-4 though!

 

I guess the new 24 hour playback feature makes F1 watchable at least (on the Monday morning after a race) - will this be available on your Android app or on Chromecast soon - as I used to use both to watch the F1 last year and was very happy with the service?

 

Cheers

 

Sam


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  # 1597003 22-Jul-2016 18:51
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ockel:

 

PPV now being offered on FanPass.  Same price as via the STB.  Hopefully a precursor to returning to other "Season Pass" offerings.  Hope is a fine thing.

 

 

 

"

 

 

LIVE EVENT JOSEPH PARKER VS SOLOMON HAUMONO Thursday, July 21, 2016|7:30PM NZST|Addington, Christchurch, Horncastle Arena $39.95|Residential use only BOOK NOW DETAILS

 

Fresh off his gruelling 12 round win Joseph Parker will face Australian Solomon Haumono in preparation for his IBF World Title fight, and in doing so, will put his IBF Title shot on the line. Parker needs big challenges and Haumono will pose a huge risk. *A replay of the event is available for viewing up to 14 days from the scheduled event. "

 

The replay being available on desktops only.  

 

 

 

 

It is still a lot of money just to watch a fight of that grade on TV. I heard someone put $100 on JP to win at the TAB, and the total return they got back was just $1, which shows you how one sided it was going to be.

 

 

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  # 1599514 27-Jul-2016 14:14
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The Black Caps v Zimbabwe kicks off tomorrow! How are we coming along with the Apple TV app?





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  # 1599583 27-Jul-2016 15:50
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littleheaven:

 

The Black Caps v Zimbabwe kicks off tomorrow! How are we coming along with the Apple TV app?

 

 

 

 

We are looking at and testing what we hope will be the final build :-)


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  # 1599584 27-Jul-2016 15:58
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Well lets hope so you will be getting my money more often if the Apple TV app does eventuate :)


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