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  Reply # 1402003 7-Oct-2015 20:22
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JimmyH:
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Rikkitic: The default box could always be crippled, with extra charges to add functionality. This seems to be the way Sky does things.



How so?  Can you give us an example of this?


The HD Ticket for starters.


Just like every provider except for Lightbox.  They all charge extra for HD.  Thats not a functionality charge thats a content charge. 
Would you say that Netflix are crippling your streaming until you pay the 30% extra for HD?  

If there is extra functionality in the SKy box I'd happily pay for it.  
Pay extra for accessing the storage reserved for BoxOfficeOnDemand - yes please.
Pay extra for adding USB storage - yes please.
Pay extra to transfer prerecorded shows when the box gives up - yes please.

If there is ANY extra functionality that I can pay for please tell me cos I want more and am happy to pay for the privilege.


With existing and growing competition (thinking post RWC), it may well be that costs do ease, plus extras are free, all to add value. Take telcos, they tend not to increase prices, or to drop prices hugely, they tend to add value, GB, etc. 

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  Reply # 1402022 7-Oct-2015 20:49
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andrew027:
Ledgy: When these come out (i'm sure there will be an upgrade cost)...

Doesn't the TV ad for the set top box replacement specifically say it's at no cost?


I don't watch ads. I record everything i want to watch & skip through the ads.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1402033 7-Oct-2015 21:30
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tdgeek:
ockel:
JimmyH:
ockel:
Rikkitic: The default box could always be crippled, with extra charges to add functionality. This seems to be the way Sky does things.



How so?  Can you give us an example of this?


The HD Ticket for starters.


Just like every provider except for Lightbox.  They all charge extra for HD.  Thats not a functionality charge thats a content charge. 
Would you say that Netflix are crippling your streaming until you pay the 30% extra for HD?  

If there is extra functionality in the SKy box I'd happily pay for it.  
Pay extra for accessing the storage reserved for BoxOfficeOnDemand - yes please.
Pay extra for adding USB storage - yes please.
Pay extra to transfer prerecorded shows when the box gives up - yes please.

If there is ANY extra functionality that I can pay for please tell me cos I want more and am happy to pay for the privilege.


With existing and growing competition (thinking post RWC), it may well be that costs do ease, plus extras are free, all to add value. Take telcos, they tend not to increase prices, or to drop prices hugely, they tend to add value, GB, etc. 


And it may well be that despite increasing prices this year that PremierLeaguePass isnt making enough profit to justify renewing rights to the EPL. We can speculate til the cows come home about these things.  Existing and growing competition cuts both ways.  The poster claimed that functionality crippling is a common method by Sky.  I'd like to overcome that crippling.  


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  Reply # 1402034 7-Oct-2015 21:34
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ockel:
JimmyH:
ockel:
Rikkitic: The default box could always be crippled, with extra charges to add functionality. This seems to be the way Sky does things.



How so?  Can you give us an example of this?


The HD Ticket for starters.


Just like every provider except for Lightbox.  They all charge extra for HD.  Thats not a functionality charge thats a content charge. 
Would you say that Netflix are crippling your streaming until you pay the 30% extra for HD?  

If there is extra functionality in the SKy box I'd happily pay for it.  
Pay extra for accessing the storage reserved for BoxOfficeOnDemand - yes please.
Pay extra for adding USB storage - yes please.
Pay extra to transfer prerecorded shows when the box gives up - yes please.

If there is ANY extra functionality that I can pay for please tell me cos I want more and am happy to pay for the privilege.


SkyTV love people like you.

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  Reply # 1402043 7-Oct-2015 22:00
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Ledgy:
ockel:
JimmyH:
ockel:
Rikkitic: The default box could always be crippled, with extra charges to add functionality. This seems to be the way Sky does things.



How so?  Can you give us an example of this?


The HD Ticket for starters.


Just like every provider except for Lightbox.  They all charge extra for HD.  Thats not a functionality charge thats a content charge. 
Would you say that Netflix are crippling your streaming until you pay the 30% extra for HD?  

If there is extra functionality in the SKy box I'd happily pay for it.  
Pay extra for accessing the storage reserved for BoxOfficeOnDemand - yes please.
Pay extra for adding USB storage - yes please.
Pay extra to transfer prerecorded shows when the box gives up - yes please.

If there is ANY extra functionality that I can pay for please tell me cos I want more and am happy to pay for the privilege.


SkyTV love people like you.


LOL, everyone is different. At the other end there are the ones that are ok with streaming SD, and accept it buffering at times. 

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  Reply # 1402105 8-Oct-2015 07:37
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Ledgy:
ockel:
JimmyH:
ockel:
Rikkitic: The default box could always be crippled, with extra charges to add functionality. This seems to be the way Sky does things.



How so?  Can you give us an example of this?


The HD Ticket for starters.


Just like every provider except for Lightbox.  They all charge extra for HD.  Thats not a functionality charge thats a content charge. 
Would you say that Netflix are crippling your streaming until you pay the 30% extra for HD?  

If there is extra functionality in the SKy box I'd happily pay for it.  
Pay extra for accessing the storage reserved for BoxOfficeOnDemand - yes please.
Pay extra for adding USB storage - yes please.
Pay extra to transfer prerecorded shows when the box gives up - yes please.

If there is ANY extra functionality that I can pay for please tell me cos I want more and am happy to pay for the privilege.


SkyTV love people like you.


No more than the petrol station loves me for a gas guzzling car.  I go to Z cos they provide a forecourt attendant.  If other servos offered a forecourt attendant and I had to pay extra for it I'd consider them too.
No more than the restaurant I eat at cos I like their food and service - and may tip if they give really good service.  I'm happy to pay for a product or service that meets my needs.  I dont splutter at the cost of a main or entree cos I think the restaurant is making profit.  Or the markup on the wine they have on the wine list.  I'm just another face that they wont remember the next day or the next week.  They are a business and I am a customer.

I've lived overseas and I hated having to pay extra for HBO AND extra for Showtime AND extra for each AND every sport that I wanted to buy - on top of the basic package most of which I didnt watch.  Nothing has changed in that regard in those countries with the advent of streaming.  I'd still be a gouged nameless customer in those countries (if thats they way your mindset works).  Some people think things are going to magically change post RWC.   

Similarly if Sky makes a reasonable profit, can provide their service that meets my needs then I'm a happy customer.  They dont know me from Adam and never will.  If I want more and I'm happy to pay for it then great.  I'm still waiting for Chorus to roll fibre in my street but dont bag them at every opportunity cos it takes forever - nor will I begrudge them a reasonable rate of return once they build their network.  

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  Reply # 1402142 8-Oct-2015 08:48
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What do we actually know about the new box?  Reading through this thread to summarise:

 

  • DVB-S2 H.264 and most likely H.265 [from Spyware]
  • Only Composite output, no Scart, S-Video or Component [from illicit]
  • It does have HDMI [from mrtoken]
  • So.. you can see the new Skybox on here
    http://skyondemand.co.nz/assets/files/learninghowtodrive.pdf [from attewell] - which, if that's it on page 24, shows it has Dolby Digital Plus and wifi.
...so not a lot really. 

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  Reply # 1402592 8-Oct-2015 18:24
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If someone gets the OTA update and can post their thoughts on the new EPG it'd be great to know what its like.

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  Reply # 1402983 9-Oct-2015 12:01
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ockel: If someone gets the OTA update and can post their thoughts on the new EPG it'd be great to know what its like.


As part of the t's & c's of being part of the "pioneer" group, you are recommended against sharing information on public sites/ social media etc. Suffice to say, though, I'm pretty impressed FWIW.

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  Reply # 1402984 9-Oct-2015 12:03
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estebaan:
ockel: If someone gets the OTA update and can post their thoughts on the new EPG it'd be great to know what its like.


As part of the t's & c's of being part of the "pioneer" group, you are recommended against sharing information on public sites/ social media etc. Suffice to say, though, I'm pretty impressed FWIW.


fair enough.  Many thanks for your first impressions.

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  Reply # 1403006 9-Oct-2015 12:47
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estebaan:
ockel: If someone gets the OTA update and can post their thoughts on the new EPG it'd be great to know what its like.


As part of the t's & c's of being part of the "pioneer" group, you are recommended against sharing information on public sites/ social media etc. Suffice to say, though, I'm pretty impressed FWIW.


Yes. Well. There you go. No posting to social media. In Sky's world the internet and social media still don't really exist. 




My views (except when I am looking out their windows) are not those of my employer.

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  Reply # 1403007 9-Oct-2015 12:52
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estebaan:
ockel: If someone gets the OTA update and can post their thoughts on the new EPG it'd be great to know what its like.


As part of the t's & c's of being part of the "pioneer" group, you are recommended against sharing information on public sites/ social media etc. Suffice to say, though, I'm pretty impressed FWIW.


I may have missed something here. Is all the new stuff an OTA update or a new box - or either/both?

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  Reply # 1403010 9-Oct-2015 12:54
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eracode:
estebaan:
ockel: If someone gets the OTA update and can post their thoughts on the new EPG it'd be great to know what its like.


As part of the t's & c's of being part of the "pioneer" group, you are recommended against sharing information on public sites/ social media etc. Suffice to say, though, I'm pretty impressed FWIW.


I may have missed something here. Is all the new stuff an OTA update or a new box - or either/both?


If you've got a MySky HDi/HDi+ is an OTA.  If you've got an old box (silver MySky or a digital decoder) then it'll be replaced.
Check the skyondemand.co.nz website.

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  Reply # 1403140 9-Oct-2015 16:29
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hairy1:

Yes. Well. There you go. No posting to social media. In Sky's world the internet and social media still don't really exist. 


Ha, yeah.
I can only assume they would prefer to get feedback in order to fix any issues before primetime, and that makes sense. If I was to start giving you a big-ass review warts and all, it's not likely to be a) accurate when product goes live hence pointless and b) not really giving Sky the chance to stand behind a 1.0 release in the public domain.

Of course, I could - and Sky wouldn't have any idea who I was (or if the account was indeed held by me, or a flatmate, for example) but - still.



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  Reply # 1403143 9-Oct-2015 16:37
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Getting a bit of hype going before a product launch is the thing to do these days.... Social media is perfect for getting some anticipation going. You never know. It may have stopped me cancelling my subscription if I knew it was going to actually be rolled out. Too late now. It was supposed to be rolled out in March.




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