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  #1552219 13-May-2016 14:36
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Thats my pick. I doubt anyone else can provide a full sports package, as Sky also include commentary and other addons for local, or Kiwi oriented events. And if others provided individual sports on subscription, I doubt that would weigh up. And that removes a whole lot of convenience for the public

 

 

Yes, I have to admit that Sky do a bang-up job of sports coverage, especially the rugby and cricket. That's why I shell out for Fanpass when the Black Caps are playing.

 

 

The thing is Sky have a (near) monopoly on sport, and it's the only ace card they currently hold.

 

If they were to lose a big ticket item like the rugger, then bye Sky.

 

And, yes, they do a good job with it, but if another provider was to give access, say, to core games only at a cheaper price, how many would be prepared to forgo the additional commentaries and add-ons? A lot I reckon.

 

 

 

 

If another did pick up the key sports, they will have to charge a key price. Say a big rugger game. But as thats a core game, the rest is on Sky, so will they cancel Sky to watch one core game that they have to pay for? No. Will they pay extra for that core game? yes, no choice, as your example has a monopoly. Its actually a monopoly caused by the game promoter. You would need one, or a few providers to cover the key sports. Then we would need to get a few subs to get what Sky had. I doubt that will save mega bucks, as at the end of the day, the same huge dollars are being paid to the few sporting owners, and we, the public, need to cover that. Should Sky disband Basic being required to get Sport, they should remove the subsidy, so Basic is cheap, and Sport is what it really costs, I suggest $60, as is NowTV sport option. Sky could say, combine Basic and Neon. Discount if you have Sport, lots of options to mess around with pricing, demand, stickability, convenience. I find all this fascinating. Market forces at work. Thats is, assuming this all plays out. 

 

 

Agreed.

 

I think they should cut the subsidy for sport from the Basic package. It'd be interesting to know how much this is, and whether or not they'd make it back by transferring it to the sub for Sport.

 

I'd imagine that if (say) the subsidy was $25/month from Basic to Sport, a percentage (maybe quite a high percentage ~10%?) would then drop Sport, and keep Basic at $25/month, meaning Sky has lost that revenue altogether making the pot smaller next time they go to bid for rights. Which will be why they haven't done it.

 

If Sky Basic ($50) + Sport (25) + HD (10) = $85 and Sky Basic (25) + Sport (50) and HD (10) = $85, do you think that all those people subscribed to those will keep them if the pricing model changed to the latter equation? I'm not sure they would. I know that if we still had Sky at home, and the model changed to the latter (or something like it) I would come under a heap of pressure to ditch sport, or only subscribe for the month that I needed it, meaning Sky's ARPU drops, and the pot is smaller for bidding for sports, starting a downward spiral.

 

 

 

 

Sport is sport, they would keep it, if the subsidy was switched. Basic and Sport would still cost the same. Some would get Sky if Basic was $25 cheaper though.


 
 
 

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Oh, me too. I would probably re-subscribe at $25 a month (IF I could get HD and recording for that price).

 

But, I would not be subsidizing Sports, therefore Sky's ability to purchase all that sports programming would be impacted (unless, of course, no-one dropped Sport when the package price for Sport doubled, and the Basic halved).

 

 

 

Note: I would be happy to pay an 'Installation' or sign a term contract to get a MySky. I balk at paying $15 a month for it.

 

 

Yes, totally. People quite happily buy Freeview boxes. They could make some $$ selling the units. It was a great PVR and it's really the only element of Sky that I miss (other than when Living Channel periodically has decent shows on it). I'd pay $25 for basic if it had HD, and pay outright or rent to own for the MySky box. Plus, people wouldn't necessarily ditch sport totally, I don't think. Even now it's pretty easy to add and delete channels with Sky (adding slightly easier than deleting) so I suspect some people like me would dip in and out when certain events were on. 





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  #1552232 13-May-2016 15:02
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trig42:

 

Oh, me too. I would probably re-subscribe at $25 a month (IF I could get HD and recording for that price).

 

But, I would not be subsidizing Sports, therefore Sky's ability to purchase all that sports programming would be impacted (unless, of course, no-one dropped Sport when the package price for Sport doubled, and the Basic halved).

 

 

 

Note: I would be happy to pay an 'Installation' or sign a term contract to get a MySky. I balk at paying $15 a month for it.

 

 

Yes, totally. People quite happily buy Freeview boxes. They could make some $$ selling the units. It was a great PVR and it's really the only element of Sky that I miss (other than when Living Channel periodically has decent shows on it). I'd pay $25 for basic if it had HD, and pay outright or rent to own for the MySky box. Plus, people wouldn't necessarily ditch sport totally, I don't think. Even now it's pretty easy to add and delete channels with Sky (adding slightly easier than deleting) so I suspect some people like me would dip in and out when certain events were on. 

 

 

Yep, I'd do the same (and invariably, forget to unsubscribe).

 

I was thinking last night, the other thing I miss about Sky (apart from the HDi box) is Remote Record from the App - that is brilliant.




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  #1552238 13-May-2016 15:29
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littleheaven:

 

 

 

Yes, totally. People quite happily buy Freeview boxes. They could make some $$ selling the units. It was a great PVR and it's really the only element of Sky that I miss (other than when Living Channel periodically has decent shows on it). I'd pay $25 for basic if it had HD, and pay outright or rent to own for the MySky box. Plus, people wouldn't necessarily ditch sport totally, I don't think. Even now it's pretty easy to add and delete channels with Sky (adding slightly easier than deleting) so I suspect some people like me would dip in and out when certain events were on. 

 

 

Yep, I'd do the same (and invariably, forget to unsubscribe).

 

I was thinking last night, the other thing I miss about Sky (apart from the HDi box) is Remote Record from the App - that is brilliant.

 

 

Yes, me too. I can do it with my PVR but you have to input channel and time manually and it's a bit painful. 





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What is the best PVR for freeview? 

 

I have tivo, which is pretty good but not quite as good as the mysky box. 

 

I've also got a panasonic freeview/bluray recorder thingy -- but, the GUI is awful. 

 

Anything else out there that beats the mysky box for ease of use and functionality? Something tells me it would have to be internet connected to download listings to match mysky at the very minimum. 

 

 

 

 


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  #1552302 13-May-2016 16:41
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surfisup1000:

 

What is the best PVR for freeview? 

 

I have tivo, which is pretty good but not quite as good as the mysky box. 

 

I've also got a panasonic freeview/bluray recorder thingy -- but, the GUI is awful. 

 

Anything else out there that beats the mysky box for ease of use and functionality? Something tells me it would have to be internet connected to download listings to match mysky at the very minimum. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you have a working Tivo you really have the best of a bad bunch even if the NZ models are now antiques 


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MikeB4:

 

surfisup1000:

 

What is the best PVR for freeview? 

 

I have tivo, which is pretty good but not quite as good as the mysky box. 

 

I've also got a panasonic freeview/bluray recorder thingy -- but, the GUI is awful. 

 

Anything else out there that beats the mysky box for ease of use and functionality? Something tells me it would have to be internet connected to download listings to match mysky at the very minimum. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you have a working Tivo you really have the best of a bad bunch even if the NZ models are now antiques 

 

 

Thats what i figured.... given tivo goes back to 2011 it is remarkable an android based interface or something like that hasn't come out. The thing is though, you must have an internet epg feed -- over the air epg is completely inadequate --- perhaps they can include some new standard for better over the air epg data? 

 

 

 

 




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  #1552305 13-May-2016 16:51
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trig42:

 

tdgeek:

 

dafman:

 

littleheaven:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Thats my pick. I doubt anyone else can provide a full sports package, as Sky also include commentary and other addons for local, or Kiwi oriented events. And if others provided individual sports on subscription, I doubt that would weigh up. And that removes a whole lot of convenience for the public

 

 

Yes, I have to admit that Sky do a bang-up job of sports coverage, especially the rugby and cricket. That's why I shell out for Fanpass when the Black Caps are playing.

 

 

The thing is Sky have a (near) monopoly on sport, and it's the only ace card they currently hold.

 

If they were to lose a big ticket item like the rugger, then bye Sky.

 

And, yes, they do a good job with it, but if another provider was to give access, say, to core games only at a cheaper price, how many would be prepared to forgo the additional commentaries and add-ons? A lot I reckon.

 

 

 

 

If another did pick up the key sports, they will have to charge a key price. Say a big rugger game. But as thats a core game, the rest is on Sky, so will they cancel Sky to watch one core game that they have to pay for? No. Will they pay extra for that core game? yes, no choice, as your example has a monopoly. Its actually a monopoly caused by the game promoter. You would need one, or a few providers to cover the key sports. Then we would need to get a few subs to get what Sky had. I doubt that will save mega bucks, as at the end of the day, the same huge dollars are being paid to the few sporting owners, and we, the public, need to cover that. Should Sky disband Basic being required to get Sport, they should remove the subsidy, so Basic is cheap, and Sport is what it really costs, I suggest $60, as is NowTV sport option. Sky could say, combine Basic and Neon. Discount if you have Sport, lots of options to mess around with pricing, demand, stickability, convenience. I find all this fascinating. Market forces at work. Thats is, assuming this all plays out. 

 

 

Agreed.

 

I think they should cut the subsidy for sport from the Basic package. It'd be interesting to know how much this is, and whether or not they'd make it back by transferring it to the sub for Sport.

 

I'd imagine that if (say) the subsidy was $25/month from Basic to Sport, a percentage (maybe quite a high percentage ~10%?) would then drop Sport, and keep Basic at $25/month, meaning Sky has lost that revenue altogether making the pot smaller next time they go to bid for rights. Which will be why they haven't done it.

 

If Sky Basic ($50) + Sport (25) + HD (10) = $85 and Sky Basic (25) + Sport (50) and HD (10) = $85, do you think that all those people subscribed to those will keep them if the pricing model changed to the latter equation? I'm not sure they would. I know that if we still had Sky at home, and the model changed to the latter (or something like it) I would come under a heap of pressure to ditch sport, or only subscribe for the month that I needed it, meaning Sky's ARPU drops, and the pot is smaller for bidding for sports, starting a downward spiral.

 

 

 

 

Your logic is not logical.  If they moved to Sky Basic (25) + Sport (50) and HD (10) = $85 they would lose a small fortune.  Everyone currently pays for basic not just those with sport so everyone is subsidising the sports channels.  I too wonder how much it is.





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  #1552307 13-May-2016 16:56
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surfisup1000:

 

What is the best PVR for freeview? 

 

I have tivo, which is pretty good but not quite as good as the mysky box. 

 

I've also got a panasonic freeview/bluray recorder thingy -- but, the GUI is awful. 

 

Anything else out there that beats the mysky box for ease of use and functionality? Something tells me it would have to be internet connected to download listings to match mysky at the very minimum. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We have a Tivo and a Panny BWT720

 

I HATE the Tivo IU. Too busy, too colourful, too small, hate the slide select thing too\

 

I HATE the Panny Freeview UI too, its designed for 5yo's by 5yo's. But, its simple, and Im used to it, so I tolerate it since leaving Sky.

 

The Dish2200 looks great, modern (from screenies on here) and while I was about o get one after reading the thread, the thread has shown ongoing issues. Although, I cannot tell if I would find myself annoyed with issues or I wouldn't come across them often. Don't want to spend and find out.

 

But, its about what I watch, less about how I get to watch it. Panny UI does what it needs to do, so I refer that than Tivo, which also does what it needs to 


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  #1552308 13-May-2016 17:01
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kharris:

 

trig42:

 

tdgeek:

 

dafman:

 

littleheaven:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Thats my pick. I doubt anyone else can provide a full sports package, as Sky also include commentary and other addons for local, or Kiwi oriented events. And if others provided individual sports on subscription, I doubt that would weigh up. And that removes a whole lot of convenience for the public

 

 

Yes, I have to admit that Sky do a bang-up job of sports coverage, especially the rugby and cricket. That's why I shell out for Fanpass when the Black Caps are playing.

 

 

The thing is Sky have a (near) monopoly on sport, and it's the only ace card they currently hold.

 

If they were to lose a big ticket item like the rugger, then bye Sky.

 

And, yes, they do a good job with it, but if another provider was to give access, say, to core games only at a cheaper price, how many would be prepared to forgo the additional commentaries and add-ons? A lot I reckon.

 

 

 

 

If another did pick up the key sports, they will have to charge a key price. Say a big rugger game. But as thats a core game, the rest is on Sky, so will they cancel Sky to watch one core game that they have to pay for? No. Will they pay extra for that core game? yes, no choice, as your example has a monopoly. Its actually a monopoly caused by the game promoter. You would need one, or a few providers to cover the key sports. Then we would need to get a few subs to get what Sky had. I doubt that will save mega bucks, as at the end of the day, the same huge dollars are being paid to the few sporting owners, and we, the public, need to cover that. Should Sky disband Basic being required to get Sport, they should remove the subsidy, so Basic is cheap, and Sport is what it really costs, I suggest $60, as is NowTV sport option. Sky could say, combine Basic and Neon. Discount if you have Sport, lots of options to mess around with pricing, demand, stickability, convenience. I find all this fascinating. Market forces at work. Thats is, assuming this all plays out. 

 

 

Agreed.

 

I think they should cut the subsidy for sport from the Basic package. It'd be interesting to know how much this is, and whether or not they'd make it back by transferring it to the sub for Sport.

 

I'd imagine that if (say) the subsidy was $25/month from Basic to Sport, a percentage (maybe quite a high percentage ~10%?) would then drop Sport, and keep Basic at $25/month, meaning Sky has lost that revenue altogether making the pot smaller next time they go to bid for rights. Which will be why they haven't done it.

 

If Sky Basic ($50) + Sport (25) + HD (10) = $85 and Sky Basic (25) + Sport (50) and HD (10) = $85, do you think that all those people subscribed to those will keep them if the pricing model changed to the latter equation? I'm not sure they would. I know that if we still had Sky at home, and the model changed to the latter (or something like it) I would come under a heap of pressure to ditch sport, or only subscribe for the month that I needed it, meaning Sky's ARPU drops, and the pot is smaller for bidding for sports, starting a downward spiral.

 

 

 

 

Your logic is not logical.  If they moved to Sky Basic (25) + Sport (50) and HD (10) = $85 they would lose a small fortune.  Everyone currently pays for basic not just those with sport so everyone is subsidising the sports channels.  I too wonder how much it is.

 

 

Hard to know if they'd lose a fortune.

 

Sports users wont change as they pay the same

 

Those who want to quit sport due to cost will still do that, no change.

 

Those who have Basic are likely to keep it, Sky loses money over that, unsure how many only have Basic or Basic and Movies/Soho

 

Those who want Basic but wont stump 48 or so, might get it, Sky adds subscribers.

 

 

 

The box rental is a rort though. A moneymaker. Box is worth $400, get 15 or 20 a month forever. Its a means to advertise lower subscription but then add that on later, but thats also marketing. 


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kharris:

 

trig42:

 

tdgeek:

 

dafman:

 

littleheaven:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Thats my pick. I doubt anyone else can provide a full sports package, as Sky also include commentary and other addons for local, or Kiwi oriented events. And if others provided individual sports on subscription, I doubt that would weigh up. And that removes a whole lot of convenience for the public

 

 

Yes, I have to admit that Sky do a bang-up job of sports coverage, especially the rugby and cricket. That's why I shell out for Fanpass when the Black Caps are playing.

 

 

The thing is Sky have a (near) monopoly on sport, and it's the only ace card they currently hold.

 

If they were to lose a big ticket item like the rugger, then bye Sky.

 

And, yes, they do a good job with it, but if another provider was to give access, say, to core games only at a cheaper price, how many would be prepared to forgo the additional commentaries and add-ons? A lot I reckon.

 

 

 

 

If another did pick up the key sports, they will have to charge a key price. Say a big rugger game. But as thats a core game, the rest is on Sky, so will they cancel Sky to watch one core game that they have to pay for? No. Will they pay extra for that core game? yes, no choice, as your example has a monopoly. Its actually a monopoly caused by the game promoter. You would need one, or a few providers to cover the key sports. Then we would need to get a few subs to get what Sky had. I doubt that will save mega bucks, as at the end of the day, the same huge dollars are being paid to the few sporting owners, and we, the public, need to cover that. Should Sky disband Basic being required to get Sport, they should remove the subsidy, so Basic is cheap, and Sport is what it really costs, I suggest $60, as is NowTV sport option. Sky could say, combine Basic and Neon. Discount if you have Sport, lots of options to mess around with pricing, demand, stickability, convenience. I find all this fascinating. Market forces at work. Thats is, assuming this all plays out. 

 

 

Agreed.

 

I think they should cut the subsidy for sport from the Basic package. It'd be interesting to know how much this is, and whether or not they'd make it back by transferring it to the sub for Sport.

 

I'd imagine that if (say) the subsidy was $25/month from Basic to Sport, a percentage (maybe quite a high percentage ~10%?) would then drop Sport, and keep Basic at $25/month, meaning Sky has lost that revenue altogether making the pot smaller next time they go to bid for rights. Which will be why they haven't done it.

 

If Sky Basic ($50) + Sport (25) + HD (10) = $85 and Sky Basic (25) + Sport (50) and HD (10) = $85, do you think that all those people subscribed to those will keep them if the pricing model changed to the latter equation? I'm not sure they would. I know that if we still had Sky at home, and the model changed to the latter (or something like it) I would come under a heap of pressure to ditch sport, or only subscribe for the month that I needed it, meaning Sky's ARPU drops, and the pot is smaller for bidding for sports, starting a downward spiral.

 

 

 

 

Your logic is not logical.  If they moved to Sky Basic (25) + Sport (50) and HD (10) = $85 they would lose a small fortune.  Everyone currently pays for basic not just those with sport so everyone is subsidising the sports channels.  I too wonder how much it is.

 

 

About 75% of subscribers take sport.  On the basis of $25 basic, $50 sport - $255m pa paying basic (using last years 850k subs) plus $383m sport plus 50% taking MySky (another 76.5m) plus movies (I think 30% odd) say $60m.  And you get to about total subs revenue for 2015. 





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I am disappointed in the box aspect, in the UK before HD became mainstream you could buy the box for £200 and then it was yours outright, even when the sub ended... At the moment, I would have been $s in if I had bought the box by now, but only as I've had sky for 5 years (15 x 12 x 5 = $900) but given the potential changes afoot in the next few years I will hold off.


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I am disappointed in the box aspect, in the UK before HD became mainstream you could buy the box for £200 and then it was yours outright, even when the sub ended... At the moment, I would have been $s in if I had bought the box by now, but only as I've had sky for 5 years (15 x 12 x 5 = $900) but given the potential changes afoot in the next few years I will hold off.

 

 

 

 

When they first launched MySky HDi there was a one off upfront cost you could opt for (Maybe $500-600 from memory), but you still had to give it back when you cancelled.





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Benoire:

 

I am disappointed in the box aspect, in the UK before HD became mainstream you could buy the box for £200 and then it was yours outright, even when the sub ended... At the moment, I would have been $s in if I had bought the box by now, but only as I've had sky for 5 years (15 x 12 x 5 = $900) but given the potential changes afoot in the next few years I will hold off.

 

 

 

 

When they first launched MySky HDi there was a one off upfront cost you could opt for (Maybe $500-600 from memory), but you still had to give it back when you cancelled.

 

 

Yep it was $600.   And something like 90% of people opted to pay the monthly fee rather than the upfront - so Sky dropped the option of paying upfront.





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Yeah, I know you never owned the box (hence my Sky UK comment) but I would have saved $300 by now!


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