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  #1567197 7-Jun-2016 15:46
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nathan:

 

NZers love their sport and don't Sky know it

Still I find it hilarious the moaning about multiroom this, HD pass that, unbundle the channels

Vote with your wallets sheeple

 

I did a long time ago, and I also vote with my eyes for FTA stuff and wont watch things that are not HD.





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  #1567203 7-Jun-2016 15:52
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Any business that shafts existing customers by continually offering better prices to new customers deserves what's coming to them

Clearly not enough customers leave.

Speaking from my personal experience when they refused to match the price I was already paying compared to the new subscriber pamphlet spam discarded in my snail mail box.




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  #1567259 7-Jun-2016 16:52
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Jaxson:

 

nathan:

Vote with your wallets sheeple

 

 

 

That's the point though, it's a monopoly situation.

 

 

 

Where are you going to go to get the sports coverage.


Sorry to go on about Sports, but that's fundamentally the only content you can't sauce from elsewhere (legitimately) presently.

 

 

Yep, we moan and gripe about exclusive content this and exclusive content that.  And we're all too tight to want to pay less than 50c/day/channel of sport.

 

Stream it - 4 channels - less than 50c/day for a channel - almost 3,000 hours per month of sport.  I want it but I dont want to pay THAT much for it.  I want it but I want ESPN too.  Or I want the popup channels too.  But I dont want to pay 50c/day/channel to get it.  Yawn.  

 

Get a Sport package - less than 50c/day/channel for 6 channels or 4400 hours per month of sport.  Lots of it live too.  Shock horror - premium content that is priced as premium content.  

 

Either you want it or you dont.

 

"I dont miss Sky", "I cancelled Sky weeks/months/years ago and I dont miss it"  but of course I have to go on and on about it an moan about the cost.  "But I dont miss it".  Whatever.  

 

 


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  #1567261 7-Jun-2016 17:00
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nathan: Any business that shafts existing customers by continually offering better prices to new customers deserves what's coming to them

Clearly not enough customers leave.

Speaking from my personal experience when they refused to match the price I was already paying compared to the new subscriber pamphlet spam discarded in my snail mail box.

 

More than 100,000 customers per year leave.  And until this year more than 100,000 customers join.  A net 2.5% of customers will leave this year according to the company - the first year in 25 years.  Thats a HUGE number apparently.  Maybe not enough customers for you to see change.  I seriously doubt it is.  I imagine it'll take 3 or 4 years of net subscriber loss before anything changes.  Cos its just not worth throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  Boo hoo for you.  

 

Plenty of firms offer new customers great signon deals - and ignore their customer base.  Its been talked about already in this thread.  But of course its not for a product that YOU want.  So - moan, moan, moan.  

 

Switch off for 3 months or 6 months or whatever it is.  Join back later.  Or dont join at all.  Who cares.  Moan, moan, moan.


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  #1567267 7-Jun-2016 17:09
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Jaxson:

 

nathan:

Vote with your wallets sheeple

 

 

 

That's the point though, it's a monopoly situation.

 

 

 

Where are you going to go to get the sports coverage.


Sorry to go on about Sports, but that's fundamentally the only content you can't sauce from elsewhere (legitimately) presently.

 

 

Its not a monopoly. There are sports that Sky doesnt have. Or are exclusive rights a monopoly? If so, check out every linear and SVOD option out there. 

 

There have been sports that asked too much so Sky didn't buy. Sometimes they sucked it up and bought, no one else would have. As for pricing, its a bit misleading actually, Basic is $47 odd, sports is $26 odd. It should be 15 and 60. 


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  #1567285 7-Jun-2016 17:23
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Ill throw this out there

 

 

 

What happens if and when Sky goes SVOD in full? Basic is $15, Basic + Neon is $20 or $25. Sport is $60. All HD where the title supports it. Apps on all devices. No need for bundles like Basic and Sport. Soho is $10, but $5 if you have something as well. That type of thing. Movies $15 too. 


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  #1567286 7-Jun-2016 17:23
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tdgeek: are exclusive rights a monopoly?


Yep.

 
 
 
 


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  #1567295 7-Jun-2016 17:30
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Jaxson:
tdgeek: are exclusive rights a monopoly?


Yep.

 

Fair enough. Then every linear and SVOD are monopolies. Which makes the word moot in this industry


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  #1567304 7-Jun-2016 17:57
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tdgeek:

 

Ill throw this out there

 

 

 

What happens if and when Sky goes SVOD in full? Basic is $15, Basic + Neon is $20 or $25. Sport is $60. All HD where the title supports it. Apps on all devices. No need for bundles like Basic and Sport. Soho is $10, but $5 if you have something as well. That type of thing. Movies $15 too. 

 

 

Well if that happens I'll get the basic package with a side-order of sport when the Black Caps are playing. Like I mentioned earlier - $70 for the basic content was too much for my wallet (and that's all I had - basic + MySky + HD ticket) but for the amount I watched it, $15 would be about right and would lure me back. I'd ditch NZ Netflix for it. I've got no problem paying a premium for sport on the occasions I want to watch it, but I do have one with subsidising everyone else's sport viewing.





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tdgeek:

 

Jaxson:
tdgeek: are exclusive rights a monopoly?


Yep.

 

Fair enough. Then every linear and SVOD are monopolies. Which makes the word moot in this industry

 

 

But not moot if its the content that YOU want but are too tight to want to pay for it.  Then its a nasty nasty monopoly.  


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  #1567306 7-Jun-2016 18:01
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tdgeek:

 

Jaxson:
tdgeek: are exclusive rights a monopoly?


Yep.

 

Fair enough. Then every linear and SVOD are monopolies. Which makes the word moot in this industry

 

 

For some things they are, but for other things like movies they are on multiple platforms at the same time most of the time. Same for old TV series. Hulu and US netflix and amazon have huge overlap.

 

IMO the problem is that monopoly distribution model, where sky are the exclusive distributor for most sports. Unbundling the creation and the distribution would go a long way to solving that problem, and also making the current propping up of sports with the basic packages not viable.

 

If sky was split 3 ways, into a outside broadcaster that was contracted to the sports, a channel creator, and then a channel distributor then it would mean more scope for competition at all levels. Perhaps a 4th split, and make it so that any retailer can resell sky subs off satillite, but use their own hardware and make their own channel bundles.

 

While sky is all vertical for sports then noone can compete. But I know this will not happen because sky would bribe the sports associations to say that any change would hurt them too much.





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  #1567329 7-Jun-2016 18:25
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ockel:

 

tdgeek:

 

Jaxson:
tdgeek: are exclusive rights a monopoly?


Yep.

 

Fair enough. Then every linear and SVOD are monopolies. Which makes the word moot in this industry

 

 

But not moot if its the content that YOU want but are too tight to want to pay for it.  Then its a nasty nasty monopoly.  

 

 

Exactly. 


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  #1567331 7-Jun-2016 18:41
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richms:

 

tdgeek:

 

Jaxson:
tdgeek: are exclusive rights a monopoly?


Yep.

 

Fair enough. Then every linear and SVOD are monopolies. Which makes the word moot in this industry

 

 

For some things they are, but for other things like movies they are on multiple platforms at the same time most of the time. Same for old TV series. Hulu and US netflix and amazon have huge overlap.

 

Movies, yep, they are everywhere. New movies? 

 

Old TV, yeah but who cares? Old TV is probably super cheap, its past its money making days

 

 

 

IMO the problem is that monopoly distribution model, where sky are the exclusive distributor for most sports. And Netflix is the only provider of its exclusives. Unbundling the creation and the distribution would go a long way to solving that problem, and also making the current propping up of sports with the basic packages not viable.

 

If sky was split 3 ways, into a outside broadcaster that was contracted to the sports, a channel creator, and then a channel distributor then it would mean more scope for competition at all levels. Perhaps a 4th split, and make it so that any retailer can resell sky subs off satillite, but use their own hardware and make their own channel bundles.

 

While sky is all vertical for sports then noone can compete. But I know this will not happen because sky would bribe the sports associations to say that any change would hurt them too much.

 

I think its the sports owners that are doing the bribing, or more to the point, demanding stupid money. 

 

 

Everyone buys content. NF does old movies and TV, cheap. Its got its exclusives which are new. LB has only TV, but its newer and they have exclusives. Sky has not a lot, but it has a bit of everything.Sports is Skys attraction. Anyone can buy sorts, and they do. And they have. 

 

Skys issue is satellite costs, it doesnt have the lower cost SVOD costs, yet. When it does, it will be a level playing field. And I feel they can unbundle then, as the options will be lower cost. Basic, Neon, Soho, these can be cheaper. Sports will always be expensive, as it is overseas, thats due to the sports owners demanding more and more 

 

I dont get splitting Sky, its no different to any of the others. It just happens to use a higher cost transmission system, that will stop in 2019. Like the orhgwers, it overlaps some content, it has its own exclusives, which is sport. Any one can buy sports, and they have. 

 

Neon will disappear, it will be called Basic. Pay a little more than the then cheap SVOD prices you can add in Neon, and add in Soho.

 

Fanpass will be Sky Sport 

 

 


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Realistically there has only been one player in the market able to compete for the sports rights.

There is now viable competition in other areas such as TV shows and movies.

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Jaxson: Realistically there has only been one player in the market able to compete for the sports rights.

There is now viable competition in other areas such as TV shows and movies.

 

Agree fully. Id suggest that Sky isn't in the market for TV shows and movies. Basic is FTA and special interest channels. 

 

Movies is not bad value for $26 odd I guess, which is now lower value, I don't know how much overlap in movie age Sky and NF have. Oddly, everyone complains about Skys Movies being rubbish, yet Netflix deals in older movies. Odd. 

 

 


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